Adult son's voting intentions-a little shocked.

[CurlewKate]

My son lives in Rosie Duffield constituency. We live in a nearby constituency where they weigh the Conservative votes rather than count them. I've been reminding him that he really must get on the electoral register where he lives-he's a very political person and a vociferous left winger. He's been putting it off-he still uses this as his permanent address. Yesterday he finally told me that he's intending to stay on the register here and vote for a local independent. He says that while he couldn't actually vote Tory, he'd rather the Tory candidate won than Duffield. I am quite shaken by this!

He’s been genderwashed at school and by his peers. It’s not your fault OP.
Or maybe, just maybe, he has a mind of his own.
He doesn't have to agree with OP

Plenty of people who have solid thinking on this issue have kids who are captured, so I am surprised there are so many putting anything on the OP for that element.

I'm also always a little surprised when people make the claim that if not voting for a certain party, an individual can' really be left wing. Being left or right or whatever isn't defined by the party a person votes for. There's often a correlation, but it's much more complicated than that, especially now when the LP includes policies that aren't especially leftist and the Tories ones that are more traditionally leftist.

OP is your question about how does Keir Starmer keep to the centre ground (best chance of winning) while at the same time hanging on to the young ideological activists?

I would say that he can't. This TWAW nonsense is Momentum in a new dress.

My children are younger than yours so I've had a bit more warning and have taken care to talk to them about it. Mind you they could yet go another direction. My DS suddenly blurted out all the gender ideology indoctrination he's had a school over past two years (I had no idea). In short the brainy kids destined for uni are #bekind and the rougher ones headed for the trades think it is manipulative and ridiculous.

As another poster said further up, it is Labour's tragedy that so many of them would rather be ideologicallly pure and out of power than make compromises with reality and get into Government.

@Laladybird
"the rougher ones headed for the trades"

sorry but that feels hideously snobbish to me 😕

There's a really clear class correlation, though. Most of the young TRAs I've talked to when they've been protesting at events I've attended have been young, white, middle class and university-educated. When canvassing for Labour in working class areas, or leafletting with WRN, the huge, huge majority of working-class people are firmly GC. Trans ideology is a luxury middle-class belief on the whole.

No judgement from me, OP. I think some posters have been unnecessarily harsh.

I used to be in the ‘be kind’ camp myself, and only made the journey to thinking more broadly and critically relatively recently (within the last decade). It’s a toxic ideology and easy for people to become ensnared. I hope you and your son will have opportunities to talk some more as he matures.

It’s bloody hard raising kids, and sometimes they disappoint us despite all our best efforts.

It's terrifying. Some will move away because they don't want to support Rosie. Many will move away because they do want to support Rosie.

Can't believe that on the feminist board of a parenting website we've got posters blaming the mother for the behaviour of her adult children.

I'm sorry op. I'm sure if it were my son I'd rationalise it as best as I could - he's an adult yada yada yada - but it would still sting.

Why is he?

As for the impact on the election, yes I'm quite sure Rosie Duffield will be subjected to the most vicious of campaigns by Labour activists. Whether that will have much of an impact on the result I don't know but the party is stuffed to the gills with people who are quite comfortable in permanent opposition.

Rosie's crime was to say a woman is an adult human female. Anyone who disagrees with that is supporting men in women's spaces. That's dismantling women's rights and supporting the MRA trans ideology and that's idiotic not to see it and own it.

I don't see how stating that a woman is an adult human female means supporting MRAs. It's just a fact, surely. What else is a woman?

No. It's the opposite. The son won't vote for Rosie because she said this. That's what makes him an MRA.

Adult human female is the only meaningful definition of a woman.

The local left Labour faction have other reasons for opposing Rosie Duffield, that don’t really have much to do with the Trans stuff - although I’m sure they’ll happily chuck that in too. The huge (some might say aggressive) mobilisation of the student vote was what got Rosie elected over Julian Brazier in the first place and I’m pretty sure she’s lost that now, so it won’t be too surprising if Canterbury goes blue again. OTOH, anecdotal obviously, but I’ve never heard so many people round here saying they will never vote Tory again. So, who knows? And it’s not even government, CCC can take a massive amount of credit for putting people off. Looking forward to the locals and general elections here. And hoping for change.

Sounds like your son is at risk of becoming your 'daughter' in the coming years 🙁

Why? Just because he isnt so called "gender critical?"
That doesn't even begin to make sense.

It's much more likely when people start believing in this toxic ideology that they're going to start overthinking themselves into a different 'gender identity'. Also the son might already be an autogynephile if he's sticking up for them.

So because you know about being trans, and are supportive towards trans people, that means you're likely to be trans yourself?!
That's ridiculous
Exact same section 28 energy from the 80s - don't let people know about being gay as they're likely to want to turn gay themselves. 🙄

Gender critical people are supportive of trans people. Stop smearing us.

I know I'm not trans and I never will be.
I know who I am.
That doesn't change by supporting trans rights

No such thing as "trans rights", it's a euphemism for oppressions and impositions upon women to appease the desires of men.

People could and have said the same about being gay in the past though.(and some now, not me though, not my belief at all) just pointing out
you get people saying it's a delusion/perversion and this towards trans people is no difference imo.

Sidestepping my point that just because you know of being trans, doesn't mean that you're going to automatically want to be trans yourself.