Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

Extra intersectionality points, so pointing out that religion is a hate crime for the woke.

Caroline’s husband was taking their child to a therapy session.

As per Caroline’s Twitter prior to tweets being protected….

Yes it just makes no sense at all to me.

Caroline is now saying that there has been miscommunication around this, and she was meant to go to a police interview yesterday but hadn't realised. Which presumably is why the police turned up.

I would be really interested to hear the answer to this to

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Perhaps there is more to this than we think.

We don't know what the allegation is here, so perhaps it something that needs investigating.

In light of the suggestion that she was supposed to attend the police station yesterday but failed to attend

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

They do & they will - or they should and if they don't, the victim/reporting person needs to complain

But if people are going to make a specific comment that the police are wrong and should not have made any attempt to visit & arrest her - they need to know what the reasons where to make the visit.

OK - you can speculate all you want.

In the same token people can speculate that Caroline has been around the reporting persons house that day and stabbed them, came back and jumped in the shower to wash the blood off.

No one knows what the allegation is here, so we can't speculate.

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 13:12
Felix when are you going to understand that we see what's going on. As in actually going on, with certain people using the police to harass certain women.

So you can pontificate as much as you like, it isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to the overwhelming majority of the posters on here.

I agree - people use the police all the time for their own ends.

Victims & reporting people lie. Suspects lie. Witnesses lie. But unfortunately we don't have lie detectors that can establish who is telling the truth.

If an allegation of a crime or offence is made - it has to be recorded & investigated.

How else do you want the police to deal with it when a reporting person phones the police and describes an offences to them and want the police to investigate. Do we just assume that because they are accusing Caroline we should ignore them?

Datun · Yesterday 13:21
We rarely get the full story, in this particular instance, I agree. But we also know who is responsible for a lot of the persecution she has endured.

Bingo!!!!

Probably best let the people who have the specifics of the allegation and the specifics of the alibi and the rest of the evidence decide

Was that one of those ‘voluntary’ interviews? Is this what happens when you don’t attend a ‘voluntary interview’?

AlisonDonut
I don't spend hours on here - just coffee breaks between various jobs. At the moment I am waiting for the primer coat to dry on a car I am re-spraying. Washing machines are on and the dishwasher is fully loaded - so i have a spare few moments

Poises Parker was discussed on another thread - I'm not sure why you are de-railing this thread for that one - but since you brought it up.

An allegation was made against PP which was investigated. Her own solicitor advised her that she needed to be interviewed at the police station. We discussed on that thread that the videos would not have captured the whole event and again we didn't know what the allegation was - so the video coverage may be irrelevant. Was the allegation involving something before, during or after the event? What was the allegation?

You couldn't establish if a police officer was stood next to her 100% of the time and you can't say that this police officer witnessed the whole thing - you don't even know who that police officer was.

An allegation of a crime or offence has been made and its the police's duty to investigate it. Unless you are happy for the police to just pick and choose.

Shelefttheweb

Potentially - but you still need a necessity to arrest.

The other way to do it, is to submit the file with only the reporting persons account/evidence. State that the suspect was not interviewed as they failed to attend for a vol interview. Then summons them to court as one word against nothing.

Problem is - the courts & CPS don't like this as it ties the courts up with cases which could have been dealt with prior to court if you had the suspects account or their alibi & defence statement investigated.

“An allegation of a crime or offence has been made and it’s the police's duty to investigate it. Unless you are happy for the police to just pick and choose.”

I would be happy if the Police didn’t pick and choose - but they clearly do. Otherwise we’d see some of the TRAs who are violent and commit public order offences (in full view of police at the events) being arrested and/or ‘invited’ for interviews.

And why does it take three cops to knock on a door to remind someone they’ve missed an appointment?! I’d much rather see my council tax going towards investigating burglaries. Or sexual assaults.

That's an interesting thought.

I do think (a) Lisa Townsend's tweet was probably unwise; and (b) that as she has now made that tweet, she needs to demonstrate that she is actually on top of this.

She's one of the most 'un-woke' PCCs that there are, and yet even she seems to be potentially embroiled in a bit of a muddle here. And I'm not feeling that I have confidence in the system, put it that way.

Yes, she's protected her tweets since then. I think what is the underlying explanation here is that she had some miscommunication about what was happening, and got (understandably given the history) frightened/alarmed when the police were at her door. She perhaps tweeted out things in haste and alarm that were alarming to other people, which of course made it public which exacerbated the situation.

I don't think you understand, Felix. Caroline has been persecuted and hounded for I don't know, six or seven years.

She's had websites set up about her to talk about her, to talk about her children, to talk about her relationship, her husbands job, her sex life and whether she cleans her house enough. She's had food deliveries sent to her that she hasn't ordered. She's had her family doxed. She's had known people publicly speculate about her in the most of revolting terms. And she's had the police show up for spurious reasons.

As far as I know, she's never been charged with anything.

But personally, it's not Caroline's behaviour, that is relevant to me, particularly. She's not a gender critical feminist, and I don't follow her for any reason.

It's the fact, that yet a fucking again, women critical of transgender ideology are punished, and those responsible manage to get away with it.

We can all see it. We told you about it. They might well eventually be able to pin something on Caroline, as I thought they might well be able to pin something on Posie - christ they try hard enough and spend years attempting it.

It doesn't stop me seeing what is happening.

How gc women are targeted, using the police as saps and how men can get away with threats, violent actions and bullying, literally right before their eyes. They even get 'asked are you going to do anything?' They're too scared or too captured.

I expect you didn't watch the Laughing Auditor, walk-through a group of trans-activists who were trying to intimidate lesbians who were having a meeting inside a building?

They actually watched somebody assault him, and did nothing. They watched people kettle him and did nothing.

And then accused him of provoking them.

It's all on film. And he'll be filming more of it.

We've seen the police utilised dozens of times for the ends of trans activists.

Occasionally it might be because they're just being suckers. But you don't have that excuse. You've been told, over and over what's happening, and you'd still be the first in line getting handcuffs on Caroline Farrow.

The Home Secretary agrees with you entirely.

I'm sure she'd be extremely disappointed watching an officer of the law wind up the women on Mumsnet.

PaterPower

They should be - and if a specific complaint has been made against a TRA, then an investigation should commence. Was a specific allegation made against them? Was this part of a demonstration?

The reason whey there were three there was explained earlier - its probably one officer who is dealing with this particular job. That officer was double crewed that day; they can't just leave their colleague on a corner whilst they attend the address so ts one-to-one. So the colleague goes with them.

The third officer was probably summonsed in order to open the door (snap the lock) - not every officer is trained in this. Or the third one might have been for transport purposes. If the double crewed unit is in a car, you need a van to transport - you shouldn't transport arrested people in panda cars

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Oh, you appear to be reading a different book now, My Big Book of Double Standards, with that shedload of speculation.

Datun

I appreciate she has websites set up which talks about her life and her views should be respected on gender ideolgy.

But - again - you have no idea what has been alleged here.

It could be that the reporting person has evidence that she has made a specific threat, or has turned up their house, or has physically attacked them?

How do we know that since not turning up at the police station yesterday, she turned up at the reporting person's house that night and put the window through?

We just don't know what the allegation is do we?

But if an allegation has been made - it should be investigated. And if its escalating (as above) it would account for the necessity for the arrest.

Datun
Oh, you appear to be reading a different book now, My Big Book of Double Standards, with that shedload of speculation.

Not at all - I'm reading from the "20+ years experience working on an emergency response team" book. I know they way it works and how a team is manged with regards their own case queue and incoming emergency jobs

The Home Secretary wanted police to investigate crimes - so unless you can categorically show that the police attended Caroline's address and forced entry for a non-crime matter - then they are following what the Home Secretary has requested.

That seems to explain everything quite well. Wonder if she had forgotten or if somebody hadn't informed her correctly. You know....letter got lost in the post type thing.

I see we have a boring (yes, their posts are definitely yawn inspiring) person saying we shouldn't speculate as we know nothing but speculating as to why the police behave as they do in instances like this. Wonder why they can speculate but we can't 🤔

There had been discussion over whether the interview was held on Thursday or next Tuesday . Caroline spoke with her solicitor and was under the assumption that the interview was going ahead on the Tuesday as Thursday was inconvenient for Caroline and family.

It appears her solicitor didn't inform her it was actually now happening on the Thursday. She speculated early on Thursday morning that basically knowing her luck something would go wrong.

An hour later the police were trying to break down her door