Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

MrsDanversGlidesAgain
I'm also interested in the use of what the police call the Big Red Key - is its use authorised or do they just decide to pick it up on the way out? I'm sure our police expert will tell us that the 'alleged offence' was such that the police decided its use was warranted rather than just using what these solicitors call 'less intrusive methods.'

You don't need authorisation as s17 PACE gives you that, anyobe officer can us it - but you do need to be trained to use the kit. Most vans carry method of entry kits as a matter of course - lock snapper, big red key etc

Correct BUT the past history of anyone is usually a good indicator of future behaviour would you agree?

And people here don't just go off and find information when these things arrive on these boards. Some people will be aware of things that happened in the lead up to this. Some people will know Caroline personally and have access to a wealth of information that you and some of us just don't have.

And i know it probably drives you loopy that you are trying to explain that there is police procedure to be followed and as far as you are concerned the police will only be doing things by the book etc and that there are things we don't yet know.

But we aren't stupid women. We have been watching these things play out over years and so with the best will in the world whilst i would love to go with your version of how these things go down I just don't think the police are acting in a non biased non political manner here.

I've not called anyone stupid - i can imagine there is a huge back story of CF being victimised and hounded by people.

But unless we know more about this current allegation - we can't link the two at this stage and hence can't criticise the police in how they have dealt with it.

This current allegation might be completely separate from anything that has happened previously.

We just don't know - so can't really criticise.

Never said you did, I was merely stating a fact.

There was more information about the current arrest and the lead up to it before it happened. Those people following CF on Twitter are more aware of what was about to likely happen. And then it did. (With regards the police)

Yes we only have her side currently. But if she was lying about the behaviour of the police that would be easy for the police to sort surely?

A few years back I reckon most people on here would have read your posts about police procedure and found them helpful and informative.

Now people read them and get annoyed because we can see that was is supposed to happen and what is actually happening are two different things.

This happens too many times to too many women over the same non arrestable, if they weren't women, events that the pattern become glaring.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k87vq/caroline-farrow-arrested-kiwi-farms

Funny they link this to JKR when no one was arrested when not only tweeting JKRs address but also filming outside it. Then there have been all those non-arrests and lack of investigations into death and rape threats sent to JKR. Not to mention all the slanderous tweets and mentions - and articles trying to imply JKR is somehow responsible for the actions of others.

And of course there has been the publication, photos, etc of CF’s address that no one was arrested for.

Odd double standards, aren't they?

And they tell us to trust the police.
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Snort. As if.

This is all so very strange. I wonder how far Creasy will take it up the chain.

https://news.sky.com/story/stella-creasy-mp-argues-police-gave-green-light-to-stranger-who-tried-to-get-her-kids-taken-away-12869558

Ooh I already have a user name for this occasion.

Nothing to add just giving the name an airing

"We can all have robust conversations, debates, discussions, I can passionately disagree with people, but threatening to take away their children because you don't agree with somebody is not free speech, it's a form of harassment."

What is her stance on the removing parental responsibility in schools and a safeguarding assessment being done on parents who don't affirm a GI for their children?

Stella is an excellent name for a pen.

I've seen the articles, I think it's a MRA whose been hounding her. It does seem too easy for bad actors to manipulate systems put in to help and protect people. Harassment by proxy.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-stella-creasy-gets-wrong-about-trans-rights/

OK I found this.

The Labour MP subsequently interpreted a tweet from JK Rowling about ‘the real world consequences of redefining women to include the penised’ as referring to herself. ‘I’m presuming ‘luxury belief’ aimed at me,’ she wrote. But ‘luxury belief’ is exactly right: Creasy poses as progressive but, for many women, her position – whether she intends it or not – is regressive to women’s rights. So, no, Stella: JK Rowling isn’t wrong here.

Does Stell think that it has been OK for teachers to remove parental responsibility without court orders at school?

Stella didn't like people sniffing around her family yet she makes laws that make children not have parents as she I assume has been all for removing parental responsibility without court orders and have children practically belong to the state in certain circumstances.

Or is it just her family or feelings that matter? She hasn't any thoughts for her own children's feelings, so why should she spare a thought for JkR, women or other parents.

If SS were to assess Stella I would have thought it would be for having no respect for the privacy of her children and I would hope they would advise her that her children are not props.

Why women don't trust the police, part 94

That does not warrant police investigation. But does follow a trend whereby when women become justifiably upset at harassment and police inaction find that distress is used to blame them or accuse them of being unreasonably.

Indeed. This is a woman who’s been harassed by at least 3 separate trolls for several years.

Double standards.

Why women don’t trust the police pt. 97

The problem with assuming the police always behave impeccably until after an investigation, is that, one, obviously we know that they don’t. You would have to have lived in a cave for your life to have missed some of the most recent egregious behaviour. Even without that, no organisation is infallible. Particularly those that wield power.

But, two, this would mean that no critical (in both senses of the word) support would be given to people in the middle of a questionable, police involved, situation. We know that would leave many people in an extremely vulnerable situation.

Finally, even police officers I know and respect, and those that are staunch supporters of the police, certainly have pointers they give to their own loved ones, should they have police involvement. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why.

The feedback given in this thread strikes me very much as the patronising male, pat on the head, version. And we’re all a bit long in the tooth for that shit. A lot of us are mothers old enough to see through that male pontification.

Re social services being used to control women with fear. Look at DV suffferers or survivors. When I went to freedom program all the mothers were terrified of social services being used by their ex and most ex do use them. I saw a woman lose custody of her children because she had not left a domestic violence home and could not be trusted to safeguard her children- The children were then given to the abusive ex because he'd never actually abuse them just that mother and he was remorseful so therefore safe. I myself was told by SW to leave and block contact or risk loosing my kids so I did this but then a new SW says I deprived the kids of a father which they are concerned about and I became the bad guy.

I myself had my ex,refer to me as mentally ill and delusional. That went in the social services report that got taken to Family Court that was used in the judges decision-making on my children, having contact with a violent man. I took legal action against social services they paid me off- but it was too late Contact was established. You cannot remove it once it's been going okay. Thank fuck he has a new partner who does all of the childcare so my kids are actually looked after okay.

With the police my ex broke into my house through an open window on the second floor. He trashed it by making mess nothing broken. iPads laptop to the TV everything was left. Nothing was stolen except for the children's artwork and ultrasound scans out of photo frames. Police wouldn't investigate they were dismissive, said nothing of value was taken.

This is not unusual experience for women who go through DV. Every time we speak up everyone says 'there must be more to it' 'she's not telling us everything' because people have blind faith in these authorities!

Legal action agains SS is not cheep. I was lucky to be able to do it and most single parents are not in that position. The process is also difficult and when emotionally vulnerable we shy from that

PurpleBugz
So the police were wrong to be dismissive and it should have been investigated. If he had not right to be there its a domestic burglary (items were stolen - artwork & photos) and it should have been crimed accordingly. You have my upmost sympathy that it wasn't done properly and you need to complain. You have the right to a victim's review of the crime and it should be re-opened.

Boiledbeetle
There was more information about the current arrest and the lead up to it before it happened. Those people following CF on Twitter are more aware of what was about to likely happen. And then it did. (With regards the police)
Yes we only have her side currently. But if she was lying about the behaviour of the police that would be easy for the police to sort surely?

I'm not on Twitter, so if you can tell me what she was arrested for on this occasion it will give the thread a bit more clarity.

The lead up to it is one thing - but at present we don't know why the police attended and arrested her. We don't know if its related to the attempted vol interview or if its entirely not related. We don't even know if its related to original reporting person. It could be that she has been arrested for a shop theft that day from her corner shop - or has she fled the scene of a car accident that day where someone has been hurt - we just don't know.

At present - we just don't know why the police attended. We can assume, but we just do't know.

My point is - we cant criticise what the police have done until we do know.

If its a case the police have smashed her door through to arrest her because she politely disagreed with someone on Twitter - then the police are clearly wrong.

If 3 cops at the police station sitting around bored have suddenly decided to arrest Caroline for no particularly reason - then the police are clearly wrong.

But - at this time - we just don't know. So we cant really criticise what the police have done.

Shelefttheweb
Funny they link this to JKR when no one was arrested when not only tweeting JKRs address but also filming outside it. Then there have been all those non-arrests and lack of investigations into death and rape threats sent to JKR. Not to mention all the slanderous tweets and mentions - and articles trying to imply JKR is somehow responsible for the actions of others. And of course there has been the publication, photos, etc of CF’s address that no one was arrested for.

Have specific complaints been made about these threats by JKR and suspects identified from them?

I'm going to have a gander at Posie in Hyde Park.

@Felix125 https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow?s=09

You don't need a Twitter account to read tweets.

You can also check out Glinners site, if i remember there's a link on one of Carolines tweets.

I'm not sure how much info is still remaining on CFs feed, she may have deleted some tweets by now.

Well - even if you just say what she was arrested for on this occasion.
It will just give me some idea of what this thread is dealing with.

I'm not on twitter and I read tweets all the time. Just seen one of yours in the wild Beetle🖐

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