Jackie Green reacts to KJK

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https://twitter.com/The_StateMedia/status/1650560961353248769

Above is a clipped version, highlighting the many times JG calls KJK a bitch. In the Twitter thread is JG’s original video.

I wasn’t sure whether to post this. Really the person to criticise is Susie Green, but at the same time JG is an adult and has publicly made a video using misogynistic language. Or does the background mean JG should be off-limits? Opinions welcome.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhQ0CrJ1Xs&pp=ygUNamF6eiBqZW5uaW5ncw%3D%3D

I wanted to learn how influencers influence so I can see through them. I noted that Jazz is using the (unnatural) 'trust me' hand gestures prescribed along with the script next to the camera lens.

Definitely! My 20s were spent desperately trying to prove to myself there was nothing wrong with my childhood. 30s spent coming to an understanding of what the fuck happened as a child. 40s spent trying to work out how to put things right. Now in my 50s accepting of the whole shit show and the effects it had on everything and that there is no righting it all.

I suspect Jackie had some tough years ahead.

It is almost like when you let them choose the colour of a coat, then they have to live with the consequences. Only that is a learning experience without permanent consequences.

When my children were growing up, I met someone who is an extremely clever person. We were talking about school choices at 11 and I suggested that it would be a good idea to let the child choose where they would be happiest. She told me that she had been allowed to choose her own boarding school and at that age you just choose where it is going to be fun, and where you get the least homework. So maybe not such a good idea after all.

You make the choices age appropriate but if the child is not at the point of being able to understand the consequences into the future, the decisions are still the responsibility of the adult; they do not get to offload them.

Totally this - my life too.

Thank you for putting it into words.

💐sucks doesn't it!

Anything negative in Jackie's life is blamed on external forces. Bullied at school, transphobes being cruel etc etc

People generally, frequently, analyse their life experiences over decades, and come to certain conclusions. And, when they realise personal damage, my fucking heart goes out to them, every time.

Every. Single. Time.

My issue with children who have been arrested at puberty is that they are never going to have those adult life experiences.

They won't have that circle of life thing, where dealing with their own children suddenly makes them realise what their own mum had to deal with - with them. Perspective.

They won't form adult relationships, which inform, question, and challenge them. Perspective.

They won't have an outlook born of romantic relationships, or lack of them, or
of maturing to see a different viewpoint, or of understanding that they are not the centre of the universe, or that maybe they have to take care of others before themselves.

My worry is that we look like we are dealing with adults, but we are not.

I worry that we are dealing with children, with all the outlook of a child, who happens to have lived longer as a child than any other child, but nonetheless, has the same perspective of a child.

But with the body of an adult.

Exactly. The decisions of a child are those that will bring them immediate gratification. They're not the decisions of an adult.

And they are certainly not the decisions of an adult who is responsible for a child.

Sorry, trigger happy post finger there!

I meant to add that it is going to take a reversal of everything Jackie has been taught since being a child to acknowledge that. It's an enormous ask.

Megan Phelps-Roper created a separate and satisfying life for herself once she'd walked away from Westboro Baptist Church.

Jackie seems to me to be caught in a terrible purgatory, neither able to renounce it nor be a full time flag waver.

What type of people are interested in the vulnerable and children?

I could physically cope being in a room with Jazz and deal with the gaslighting in a one off meeting.

I couldn't sit in a room with someone who was gaslighting me and who comes across as someone who would potentially physically harm me.

Disabled/development delayed/neurodivergent people for various reasons don't have as easy a time as others or have the best quality when it comes to friendships.

Yes. The basic understanding of consent, and child protection, is sorely lacking.

I am of course giving Susie the massively unlikely benefit of assuming she didn't do anything as stupid or as crass as to discuss suicide outcomes in front of or with her depressed, lonely unhappy 'trans' child in front of her confused little boy.

As this was the MO of Mermaids it’s fairly certain that she did.

But again, that would require the child to assume the brain, experience and perspective of an adult.

What if the lack of puberty has created a physical adult, who has the brain of a child - for ever.

That no amount of 'time passing' will help?

That all their experiences happen to a person who has the brain of a 10-year-old? Forever.

You could put a 10-year-old through all manner of experiences, and yes, of course, they would react to that, and their personality would be formed. But it wouldn't be formed in the same way as that of an adult. And they would never get the chance to reconcile any of it either. If they stayed as a 10 year old.

@Boiledbeetle & @Melroses me three.

Jazz appears manic in that clip?

Jackie appears like a drunk 14 year old who has fallen out with friends.

Jazz was full of anxiety in that clip.

There is one brother a lawyer and another a professional influencer.

I assume there was practicing, scripts and the brother standing behind the camera with hands being lifted to remind Jazz to move hands around.

The stress Jazz must have been under, looking at the Matt Walsh clips, being ordered what to say and how to move their body.

Even with the arrested puberty Jackie will still participate enough with their peers to realise that something is wrong. They will still probably have relationships, but not have the necessary age appropriate emotional intelligence to have a particularly equal relationship which will open them up to possible abuse from a partner.

I do think that eventually, given the right support, Jackie could reach a place of better understanding.

But as it stands if Jackie remains in the bubble of this is who you are meant to be all that happened had to happen or you'd be dead narrative that they've been fed for years then they are never going to be happy as they are never going to be mature enough brain wise to work out on their own and understand what actually happened.

And without understanding you can never know peace.

You're right @Datun. It's absolutely monstrous

Jackie is setting up a Twitch account. Is this a gamers thing?

This is the twitter account of only 2 accounts Jackie follows. https://twitter.com/F1NN5TER?t=gRLJwyh18nd8N49fQo3PIw&s=09

It's porny content of a Trans women.

This confuses me about what it conveys about Jackie's sexuality,
I'm sure it also confuses them.

There are a lot of us around 💕💐

I don’t know but Elon Musk’s transitioning child has 4 brothers (one twin brother and 3 younger brothers, who are triplets)

Elon has younger children with other mothers, but the first 5 boys are really close in age and were all with his ex wife and raised in a single household.
Plus there was a 6th brother (firstborn) who died in infancy. Can imagine a lot of reasons why a GNC boy with multiple brothers might feel like he should’ve been a girl (transition would bring individuality to a twin as well as reject the male parent, or one boy might observe himself to be treated very differently to the others for whatever dynamics exist within families, perhaps even entirely unrelated the child’s own behaviour)

Two of Jackie Green’s 3 brothers are twin boys and Jazz has twin brothers too (and a sister, the sister is the eldest, then the twins & Jazz is the baby of the family).

Seems a bit of a weird coincidence for three famous young transitioners to all have twins in the family (but correlation is not causation)?

I worry that we are dealing with children, with all the outlook of a child, who happens to have lived longer as a child than any other child, but nonetheless, has the same perspective of a child.

JG is not a child. Nor would they have the same perspective as a child. JG has lived the past 18 years in the adult world and has gained adult experiences in that time. These may or may not include relationships. But it has included living independently, making their own decisions, being exposed to adults opinions and expectations. That JG’s brain did not mature through puberty does not make them a child anymore than a 30 year old adult with Down’s syndrome is still a child. It makes them an adult with an iatrogenic brain injury.

JG may also be content not to have children so while it is terrible that infertility was imposed on them, we cannot say this is an issue unless JG says it is.

*lived past 12 years in adult world (since 18)

I note when children have not one physical feature of their mother.

I've never understood where all these "girls toys" came from in the first place to then be cruelly taken away, in a house with only boy children?
If JG was claiming to be a girl at age 2 where did the kid even have access to such things that it would be noticable?
Play groups a couple of hours a week? Nursery? Why would a nursery make comments about which toys a kid preferred other than in passing at handover?
Friends and families houses? Again not prolonged periods.
If there were older sisters i could understand.
My son had all kinds of toys, cars, Lego, kitchen and tea set, baby and buggy, cuddlies, train track.
At one point he really seemed to enjoy a mini dolls house my sister had, moving the small people around, so I got him a Playmobil house and then a car and caravan because he liked that kind of play.
If they were so homophobic with such daft beliefs, I've met people like this, why did they buy him the stuff in the first place?
What are the age differences between JG and the other children?

What do you mean by this @SpeedSnap? Sorry, maybe I’m being dense.