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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WPATH - Damage limitation strategy.

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FOJN · 23/04/2023 09:04

Dr Marci Bowers, WPATH President, (and Dr featured in "I am Jazz") has written to colleagues in WPATH to outline how they defend SOC8, given that it contains recommendations for best practice which are supported by very weak evidence.

This is a PSA as much as anything because Marci Bowers tell colleagues to force team trans issues with any other minority group, straight out of the Denton's playbook.

Thread abou it:

https://twitter.com/genspect/status/1649581294110605313

Marci Bowers letter:

https://listloop.com/wpath/mail.cgi/archive/adhoc/20230421130649/

https://twitter.com/genspect/status/1649581294110605313

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Datun · 23/04/2023 10:16

A flailing mad panic, because the chickens are coming home to roost.

This from 15 years ago.

https://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/10/12/dr-b-and-women

Bowers, a father of three, lives with another woman (lesbian apparently), is the 'rock star of surgeons'. Bowers' partner feels like Stedman (Oprah's partner).

Bowers waxes lyrically about how the neo vaginas they create are better than women's (how is that even a concept? It's not possible). All the more misogynistic and creepy because Bowers use to be a gynaecologist.

"I get feedback all the time from natal women. They go, Wow, that looks better than mine. Thats better than the real thing".

"Bowers should know -- because shes seen a hell of a lot of them, even if she doesnt have one of her own." What??

A 24 year old who'd just lost his mother was told he could do porn because bowers had created a 'Maserati' of a vagina for him.

Another patient wanted to strip and pose so the interviewer could see his results.

Remember that 'eunuch porn' was signposted, including minors, in the WPATH guidelines.

There is no part of you which comes away thinking these are normal, well adjusted people.

Genitally fixated, either because porn has addled their brain or because the 'god like' creation of body parts is a massive high.

'Fucked up' doesn't come close.

Dr. B and the Women

Its almost summer, but it looks a little bit like Christmas at Dr. Marci Bowerss house. Who has time to take down a stray strand of silver tinsel when youre one of the busiest genital reassignment surgeons in the world, responsible for constructing mor...

https://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/10/12/dr-b-and-women

NotBadConsidering · 23/04/2023 10:39

Datun · 23/04/2023 10:16

A flailing mad panic, because the chickens are coming home to roost.

This from 15 years ago.

https://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/10/12/dr-b-and-women

Bowers, a father of three, lives with another woman (lesbian apparently), is the 'rock star of surgeons'. Bowers' partner feels like Stedman (Oprah's partner).

Bowers waxes lyrically about how the neo vaginas they create are better than women's (how is that even a concept? It's not possible). All the more misogynistic and creepy because Bowers use to be a gynaecologist.

"I get feedback all the time from natal women. They go, Wow, that looks better than mine. Thats better than the real thing".

"Bowers should know -- because shes seen a hell of a lot of them, even if she doesnt have one of her own." What??

A 24 year old who'd just lost his mother was told he could do porn because bowers had created a 'Maserati' of a vagina for him.

Another patient wanted to strip and pose so the interviewer could see his results.

Remember that 'eunuch porn' was signposted, including minors, in the WPATH guidelines.

There is no part of you which comes away thinking these are normal, well adjusted people.

Genitally fixated, either because porn has addled their brain or because the 'god like' creation of body parts is a massive high.

'Fucked up' doesn't come close.

That can mean as many as two per day, three or four days a week, out of a tiny regional hospital in small-town Trinidad, Colo.: a virtual pussy factory smack in the middle of our heartland.

What the actual fuck.

JanesLittleGirl · 23/04/2023 10:39

@Datun I wish you hadn't posted that. I've just had to go and wash my brain out.

IcakethereforeIam · 23/04/2023 10:47

So, 'weaponising trauma' is okay if tras do it.

Fenlandia · 23/04/2023 10:49

This line in the Bowers letter sums up for me the warped thinking and misogyny of the whole TRA movement:

"a woman is what society sees based upon the gender identity the individual projects"

ODFOD

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/04/2023 10:50

Bowers: “The 2nd step on the road back will be to unite disparate causes in our fight against a common foe. An attack on trans care is an attack on women. It is an attack on black people, brown people, and Asian people. It is an attack on Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, Sikh, and true Christian communities. It is an attack on diversity and all of the ideals that diversity holds. It is an attack on us all.”

  1. no it isn't

  2. asking you to have some evidence that the weird shit you want to do to other people's bodies will have good outcomes for them is not an 'attack'

OldCrone · 23/04/2023 10:51

I think they're scared of bills like this one being passed.

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/sb26_enrolled.pdf

1. (a) An individual who had a childhood gender reassignment service performed on such individual as a child may bring a civil cause of action against the physician who performed the childhood gender reassignment service.

(d) (1) An individual who brings an action under this section may seek actual damages, exemplary or punitive damages, injunctive relief and other appropriate relief.
(2) In an action brought under this section, the court shall award a prevailing plaintiff the cost of the suit including reasonable attorney fees.

A physician's license shall be revoked upon a finding that the physician has performed a childhood gender reassignment service, as defined in section 1, and amendments thereto

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/sb26_enrolled.pdf

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 23/04/2023 10:59

Who is Barry? I have a crush.

WarriorN · 23/04/2023 11:33

He's on here somewhere- jester something. Very astute.

WarriorN · 23/04/2023 11:34

This is state sanctioned commercialised child sex abuse.

RealityFan · 23/04/2023 11:39

Datun · 23/04/2023 10:16

A flailing mad panic, because the chickens are coming home to roost.

This from 15 years ago.

https://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/10/12/dr-b-and-women

Bowers, a father of three, lives with another woman (lesbian apparently), is the 'rock star of surgeons'. Bowers' partner feels like Stedman (Oprah's partner).

Bowers waxes lyrically about how the neo vaginas they create are better than women's (how is that even a concept? It's not possible). All the more misogynistic and creepy because Bowers use to be a gynaecologist.

"I get feedback all the time from natal women. They go, Wow, that looks better than mine. Thats better than the real thing".

"Bowers should know -- because shes seen a hell of a lot of them, even if she doesnt have one of her own." What??

A 24 year old who'd just lost his mother was told he could do porn because bowers had created a 'Maserati' of a vagina for him.

Another patient wanted to strip and pose so the interviewer could see his results.

Remember that 'eunuch porn' was signposted, including minors, in the WPATH guidelines.

There is no part of you which comes away thinking these are normal, well adjusted people.

Genitally fixated, either because porn has addled their brain or because the 'god like' creation of body parts is a massive high.

'Fucked up' doesn't come close.

Does anyone know how often Maseratis break down, overheat, malfunction, lose their value?
Well, they do, all the time.

In lots of ways an appropriate comparator for Bowers' Frankenstein/Buffalo Bill creations.

WarriorN · 23/04/2023 11:45

Barry is spot on.

Forced teaming. Denton's playbook.

RealityFan · 23/04/2023 11:52

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/04/2023 10:50

Bowers: “The 2nd step on the road back will be to unite disparate causes in our fight against a common foe. An attack on trans care is an attack on women. It is an attack on black people, brown people, and Asian people. It is an attack on Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, Sikh, and true Christian communities. It is an attack on diversity and all of the ideals that diversity holds. It is an attack on us all.”

  1. no it isn't

  2. asking you to have some evidence that the weird shit you want to do to other people's bodies will have good outcomes for them is not an 'attack'

Tie this in with the Denton's masterplan to push TRA desired outcomes at the highest levels first, civil service, government, health policy makers, educationalists, and the just published UN declaration to blur the lines on minors consent to sexual activity with adults, and we're seeing the haze lift, and the edicts of No Debate break down, and the reality of the post modernist deconstructivist aim for society becoming clearer every day.

What is upsetting the elites apple cart is that it's impossible for them to maintain strict messaging over decades to slip this Trojan Horse thru societies.

The messaging is occasionally too "honest" ie Bowers and WPATH let slip what's really making the agenda rather than obfuscating vague language on "inclusivity" and "accepting".

And bodies like the UN have to legalistically signpost the route via their declarations.

That's why phenomena like Dylan Mulvaney are not outliers or glitches, but are absolutely core parts of the program or journey.

How one fights this multi headed hydra, I really don't know.

All I know is that it's down to all of us, and somehow politicians in the West need to see people's are not prepared to accept a quantum change in social mores, and imposed dictats.

Tricky when Starmer is heading for a victory, even if small, in 2024.

FOJN · 23/04/2023 11:53

Thanks for that article Datun, I would prefer not to have seen it but it's necessary.

It's interesting that 15 years ago Marci talked about 90% of the patients Marci performs vaginoplasty on being able to achieve orgasm post op. More recently Marci has stated that almost 100% of patients who had effective puberty blocking at Tanner stage 2 and then went on to take wrong sex hormones were unable to achieve orgasm. I can't remember where I saw the video footage of that but I have seen it more than once. It was an online meeting, a zoom type thing, comprising of "gender affirming healthcare practitioners".

Children aged as young as ten are being medicated in a way that will deprive them of ever having an orgasm and those in favour of "gender affirming health care" think this is OK.

It's remarkable we are being accused of denying trans people the right to exist when it's supportive doctors, therapist and surgeons who are promoting trans eugenics.

I appreciate the fury Barry expresses in his video, why aren't all adults appalled by what is being done to children?

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GailBlancheViola · 23/04/2023 12:20

A flailing mad panic, because the chickens are coming home to roost.

Lawyers are sharpening their pens getting ready for the deluge of lawsuits against Marci Bowers and their ilk.

WickedSerious · 23/04/2023 12:24

RealityFan · 23/04/2023 11:39

Does anyone know how often Maseratis break down, overheat, malfunction, lose their value?
Well, they do, all the time.

In lots of ways an appropriate comparator for Bowers' Frankenstein/Buffalo Bill creations.

I do get 'it puts the lotion in the basket' vibes from Bowers.

WarriorN · 23/04/2023 12:27

🤢

TheBiologyStupid · 23/04/2023 12:42

Suicidality and desperation are again, needlessly in play.

Marci is at least right about this: suicidality is being weaponised by TRAs yet again, and desperation put in play by WPATH and their ilk.

FOJN · 23/04/2023 12:44

RealityFan · 23/04/2023 11:39

Does anyone know how often Maseratis break down, overheat, malfunction, lose their value?
Well, they do, all the time.

In lots of ways an appropriate comparator for Bowers' Frankenstein/Buffalo Bill creations.

This twitter thread links to a paper published in the Journal of Paediatric and Adolescent Gynaecology, it's a case study about an 18 year old male who died from necrotising fascitis following an intestinal vaginoplasty. This technique is used in adolescents and young males who were so effectively puberty blocked that their genitals did not develop sufficiently to use the penile inversion technique.

The article is paywalled but there is a link to an archived copy in the second tweet. Be warned that if you scroll to the bottom of the paper there are graphic photographs.

twitter.com/Gurdur/status/1649832440171462660

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BonfireLady · 23/04/2023 12:46

OldCrone · 23/04/2023 11:59

More recently Marci has stated that almost 100% of patients who had effective puberty blocking at Tanner stage 2 and then went on to take wrong sex hormones were unable to achieve orgasm.

It's mentioned in this article. October 2021. I didn't realise it was that long ago.

https://www.thefp.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle

Thread about it here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4366709-Abigail-Shrier-Marci-Bowers-critical-of-puberty-blockers

Thank you for sharing this article from 2021.

It seems so.... balanced. I haven't read the thread that it was from but I can only assume that pharma money is what changed Marci Bowers' opinion.

nilsmousehammer · 23/04/2023 13:08

Fenlandia · 23/04/2023 10:49

This line in the Bowers letter sums up for me the warped thinking and misogyny of the whole TRA movement:

"a woman is what society sees based upon the gender identity the individual projects"

ODFOD

Only if you in fact know perfectly well that you are matching a whole lot of gender stereotyping to biological women in order to first know wtf a woman is, and then doing a lot of indulging and pretending for the sake of biological males.

And that's only the very shallow end of this very, very mucky misogynistic bollocks. And as this shows: it's conscious, intentional, planned. As Datun says wild, panicked flailing.

nilsmousehammer · 23/04/2023 13:20

I do always enjoy the panicked 'quick, remind them to think of women, children, BAME people, people from religions, homosexuals, you know, all the people we spit on and have done so much to harm in the moments when we weren't weaponising them for our own political gains! (And when that's done we can get back to fucking them over in peace).'

It's not subtle.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 23/04/2023 13:30

Marci Bowers says here that 'a penis is just a large clitoris' (speaking half way through this) but does seem worried about patients lacking sexual function if they've been on puberty blockers (but carries on operating on them).

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Medical Experiment Exposed on National TV ft Marci Bowers & Jazz Jennings 👽🦎

Thanks all for 10k subscribers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?ab_channel=ShapeShifter%F0%9F%91%BD%F0%9F%A6%8E&v=qVCyiJKRZu8