Asked gender and pronouns on antenatal form

[bbypinkluffie]

So I’m 7 weeks today with my first, and yesterday I got given a midwife, and my first antenatal appointment was booked, and was told I had to fill this form out before the appointment, it had an entire section where the questions were “is the gender you were assigned at birth the gender you identify as now?” And “what gender do you identify as?” And “what are your pronouns?” I didn’t want to participate in their questions, as I don’t agree with gender ideology, I don’t want to have to “declare” myself a woman, I am one. I don’t want to “identify” as a woman, I am one. I’m pregnant for heavens sake! But regardless I filled out the entire gender section, saying yes I identify with my assigned gender at birth, I identify as female and my pronouns I chose as she/her. I only did this to avoid being asked during the appointment as it’s my first appointment and my first pregnancy and I don’t want it being ruined by being asked about pronouns. I only pray now I’ve jumped through their hoops I won’t be called a “pregnant person” or “birthing person” or “chest feeder” now. For heavens sake!

I expect most people to refer to me as "you" when we are speaking to each other.

I don't much care what pronouns they use about me in my absence. If they want to call me he or they to make some sort of point, they're the ones who look stupid, not me.

Well, I've just returned from our out of hours medical service. Although the building where it is has a Dr's surgery within it, it also provides auxilliary services

Bang on.

It’s fucking outrageous.

Dunno what went wrong there but most of my message disappeared into the ether!
However, what I had tried to say was that I had just returned from our out of hours medical service. The building it is in does have a Dr's surgery in it but it provides other services for the local health authority, such as smears. According to a big bill board, women can ask specifically for a " female " nurse to carry out the smear.
Imagine that, being allowed to ask for a female nurse, radical idea that if ever there was one! Do you think the idea might catch on?
A female nurse indeed, whatever next?!
lol

Nobody ‘has’ pronouns.

Pronouns are a function of language, used about others. They’ve been used on a sexed basis for thousands of years, partly as a way of identifying who you are talking about when there is more than one person present.

We’ve all managed to use them on this basis without any problem and it’s worked very well indeed. Until about five minutes ago, when an entitled minority decided this would be a fine way to appropriate acommodations accorded to the opposite sex - accommodations that have been hard won because of how being that sex results in profound disadvantage.

Changing the goalposts is not a neutral act. It involves disadvantaging women and it won’t be tolerated.

How can you “identify” as a male if you’re pregnant?

You’re literally doing what only the female body can do - pregnancy.

Surely if you “identified” as a male anyway, you wouldn’t even want to be pregnant in the first place.

It’s absolute nonsense

Some people are born with four fingers on each hand it doesn’t mean we include this in every form and conversation

I wonder why they don’t include inclusive language for intersex people who are pregnant… only trans people

Is it true that not everyone that can get pregnant is female? I thought anyone who could get pregnant was female….so if they have a DSD they are a female with a DSD if they can get pregnant? Is that no right?

If you're pregnant,you're female.

Fuck how you 'identify'.

As I understand it, people with a DSD will be either male or female. There are lots of DSDs and the differences might me quite small or there might be more fundamental ones such as a uterus and internal testicles. Some are born with genitalia that don't make it obvious what sex the baby is. These days genetic testing will be able to give a definite answer to the sex of the person. And, yes, only females get pregnant.

I am a Midwife - the word literally means ‘with woman’. The words woman and maternal are being erased from the service. A sticker for double checking a fetal heart rate monitor has even had the space for ‘maternal pulse’ changed to ‘pregnant person pulse’. The woman isn’t even going to see it and it takes up valuable space on the small sticker. It may seem petty but it pisses me off.

And when a baby is born I can clearly see what sex the baby is. End of. I’m not assigning anything. I’m observing reality.

If an individual were to ask me to pretend they weren’t a woman, I would call them whatever they want and I would do that kindly because I am nice (and don’t want to lose my registration) However, I cannot change my core beliefs that sex is fact and only women have babies.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR2MfsvwPvbJyMNOqP75QBytaj8j1uHgLRBWC8qcJ37eUYuGGfSH8vJBaPY

I was asked my pronouns on an Endometriosis feedback form regarding gynae "care" in Wales.

I have been waiting since 2019 for surgery and I can guarantee you they are doing GAC faster than that!

To say it pissed me off was an understatement!!

Thanks for this reply. I thought that was the case but I don’t know a lot about DSD so wasn’t certain.

So am adult human female who chose to have sex like a woman and give birth to a baby can be called a man.
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interested to know how many pregnant men you have had to deal with. In absolute numbers and as a percentage against the numbers of pregnant women you've had to deal with.

Personally? i think it should be default "mother/woman" until someone asks for something different. Any trans man who becomes pregnant should be denied a GRC for not "living as a man". Harsh? yes. But how can you live as a man if you do exclusively female things?

Personally, in 13 years of practice - just one.

So for the sake of maybe possibly putting one person's nose out of joint, ALL women have to answer these questions?

Personally, i had a huge issue around midwives referring to me as "mum" instead of my name. It made me feel completely disregarded as a person and when i asked them to stop it, to be fair, they did. And afterwards told me i wasn't the first person to say that and they were going to stop it. Which was nice.

I believe in clear and concise English. The issues with the census should be a warning to do this. I think it is important to know how many trans people we are actually talking about in general, because if they are just going to tick "Sex: female" when they are a trans woman, they will erase themselves.

And stop with the Intersex stuff. People with DSDs have asked to be kept out of this. And they do have a biological sex - not more than one sex.

Just as an aside, I had my next mammogram appointment arrive today and the letter explicitly states the mammograms are taken by female staff. I've asked in the past and they said the same thing.
How did midwifery manage to become captured but not the mammogram service?

Just think about the sheer man hours. Let’s say 700,000 babies are born each year. Approx 30 seconds on nonsense gender questions each. That’s 35000 minutes. Roughly 600 hours. At £15 per hour, it costs about £10,000 per year to do this. I’d imagine it would be a lot more cost effective to not bother, and then if any transman did get offended, bung them a grand!

Ludicrous. Won't be long before pregnant WOMAN are all called "he" by default.

From a cynical point of view I suspect the fact that mammograms are entirely optional might have something to do with it.
You can't opt out of maternity services, but they'd see a very dramatic fall in uptake of optional services were we instructed we'd have to accept whoever they saw fit to throw at us.
They know full well how women feel about this.

You can opt out of maternity services by not having a baby, which is a choice any female person who does not identify as a woman should be making IMO.

I certainly think behaviour like Freddy McConnell's should be grounds for automatic revocation of a gender recognition certificate.

There are a small number of babies born where the sex is not obvious at birth. intersex, where some of the genitalia are male and some female or not sufficiently developed to be sure which they are.

Oh, absolutely. I totally agree.