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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

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NutellaEllaElla · 16/04/2023 12:22

Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

The uncancelling of JK Rowling

Tide appears to be turning for the Harry Potter author ostracised for her trans views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/15/jk-rowling-transgender-views-uncancelled/

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hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 20:03

Thanks to those that provided sensible balanced viewpoints

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 20:19

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 17:43

That wasn't the question. If the definition of woman includes TW, it does not include most actual women. Does it bother you to exclude women from the definition of woman?

What definition are you using?

If cats don't all have claws, does that make me a cat?

@hotdiggetydog

I've asked this a couple of time now. Can you answer? It's a really important point in your ideology.

If you also want to provide a valued viewpoint, you can't just ignore important questions.

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 20:20

*balanced viewpoint

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 20:40

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 20:19

@hotdiggetydog

I've asked this a couple of time now. Can you answer? It's a really important point in your ideology.

If you also want to provide a valued viewpoint, you can't just ignore important questions.

Sorry for pause, Cock or no cock defines it for me.

AdamRyan · 02/05/2023 20:57

So by that definition no TW in the ladies unless they've been through an invasive and painful procedure to remove their phallus, to somehow prove their woman hood.

And no TM in the gents unless they have had a pseudo phallus created

Gotcha. Seems a bit transphobic as well TBH but better than "anyone who identifies as a man can use male spaces" and vice versa

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 20:57

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 20:40

Sorry for pause, Cock or no cock defines it for me.

And the rest of the question? If woman is anything more than an adult human female, I am not one.

Many other people formerly known as women also aren't

Does it bother you to exclude me and those others from the category of women?

Another question re your definition. If a man loses his cock in an accident, you're saying g he's not longer a man. Is that right?

TheBiologyStupid · 02/05/2023 22:06

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 17:01

Some women have wombs some don't.

In a tolerant non GB news watching non daily mail reading society, the definition of women includes trans women. It's an inclusive definition not an exclusive one.

Move with the times, it's 2023.

If a woman (a real one) of childbearing age can't conceive a doctor will refer her to a fertility treatment clinic.

if a transwoman of childbearing age can't conceive would the doctor do the same?

Yes, there's a difference in how they would be treated - and unless you are stupid you know exactly why!

AutumnCrow · 02/05/2023 22:09

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 13:44

Plenty of "biological" women don't have wombs or can't give birth to children.

Are they banned from the ladies loos as well as trans women?

No.

Then why the bigotry?

What did I say earlier? 'It'll be hysterectomies next'.

Thanking you.

TerfLady · 02/05/2023 22:25

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 20:40

Sorry for pause, Cock or no cock defines it for me.

I guess the better question is this...

If a natal woman was born without certain natural female parts does she become recognized as a transwomen? Does she earn legal protections that transwomen receive?

TerfLady · 02/05/2023 22:28

Maybe men who've suffered from prostate cancer are transmen too! I think that means they deserve to have their gender confirming surgeries paid for by the government!

Boomboom22 · 02/05/2023 22:29

So now hotdogs a terf? If a tw has a cock so almost all of them then they are not actually a woman? Do you know anything about actual tw? Or did you think they've all had the sex change op you speak of?

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

TerfLady · 02/05/2023 22:57

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

What? I'm just using the traditional argument tactics that TRA'S use! I would know I used to be one. I'm literally an expert. Lol

It doesn't feel good to be on the other side of it does it?

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 23:01

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

Not really. You've just not been clear. Can you explain yourself better?

DevilinaCardigan · 03/05/2023 04:35

Women who don’t have a uterus -either through birth defect or surgery- can’t produce sperm. Men who don’t have a uterus are healthy men. If they have their penis removed, they will still never produce eggs.
Biology is a terf. Fact.

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 12:37

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

No I didn't. I know our brains weigh less though. So many biological balances

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 12:53

Differences not balances damn autocorrect

AdamRyan · 03/05/2023 13:00

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

I did not! That's fascinating. Are there theories as to why? Wonder if it's something to do with breastfeeding

borntobequiet · 03/05/2023 13:06

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 13:44

Plenty of "biological" women don't have wombs or can't give birth to children.

Are they banned from the ladies loos as well as trans women?

No.

Then why the bigotry?

My darling DD had to have a hysterectomy for medical reasons, because she’s a woman. My dear niece cannot become pregnant for other reasons, but those reasons arise from her being female.

How dare you imply these two women are in the same category as transitioned males. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh and by the way, I can no longer conceive or give birth, because of my age, and I’m definitely not in the same category as a transwoman.

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 13:22

AdamRyan · 03/05/2023 13:00

I did not! That's fascinating. Are there theories as to why? Wonder if it's something to do with breastfeeding

In terms of our (lack of) understanding of the long-scale evolution of human gut size and morphology, it has been hypothesised that female humans are better able to buffer environmental challenges.

It could be argued that this links to their reproductive role.

Might also explain why women's gut function can go tits up in menopause ...

(Sciency bit: the study just published shows the logistic regression model for small intestine length with sex as a covariate showed a significant difference between males and females (F3,15 = 88.31, p = 9.291e−10). Specifically, the researchers found that females have consistently and significantly longer small intestines compared to males; t-value 15 = 2.245, p = 0.0403).

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 14:32

@AutumnCrow many things go tits up in menopause sigh...

BUT please carry on listing the biological differences

TerfLady · 03/05/2023 16:27

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 13:22

In terms of our (lack of) understanding of the long-scale evolution of human gut size and morphology, it has been hypothesised that female humans are better able to buffer environmental challenges.

It could be argued that this links to their reproductive role.

Might also explain why women's gut function can go tits up in menopause ...

(Sciency bit: the study just published shows the logistic regression model for small intestine length with sex as a covariate showed a significant difference between males and females (F3,15 = 88.31, p = 9.291e−10). Specifically, the researchers found that females have consistently and significantly longer small intestines compared to males; t-value 15 = 2.245, p = 0.0403).

My mind immediately went to the way that our digestive system is crushed during pregnancy. I remember a weird thing where I had to lay on my left side in order for my food to properly process after eating. 😩

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 19:01

I've always been quite wary of pointing out biological differences between males and females in the human sexually dimorphic species, because they've been used historically as a stick to beat women with.

So this finding could be used to argue that gastroenterologists would benefit, during their specialist training, from a more detailed knowledge of female-specific small intestinal morphology and function (and how important it is to relate that to female endocrinology across the lifecycle, as pp have noted above).

Unfortunately the socio-political structures in which we live allow for an argument to be put forward that this new study confirms women's natural reproductive function and therefore that means it's 'unnatural' for them to have careers. Well, you all know the arguments. Women, know your limits! and all that.

That's why women in Victorian times had to change their bloody names to get a book published and taken seriously.

TerfLady · 03/05/2023 19:58

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 19:01

I've always been quite wary of pointing out biological differences between males and females in the human sexually dimorphic species, because they've been used historically as a stick to beat women with.

So this finding could be used to argue that gastroenterologists would benefit, during their specialist training, from a more detailed knowledge of female-specific small intestinal morphology and function (and how important it is to relate that to female endocrinology across the lifecycle, as pp have noted above).

Unfortunately the socio-political structures in which we live allow for an argument to be put forward that this new study confirms women's natural reproductive function and therefore that means it's 'unnatural' for them to have careers. Well, you all know the arguments. Women, know your limits! and all that.

That's why women in Victorian times had to change their bloody names to get a book published and taken seriously.

Yes and now it seems the script has been flipped. Now our simularities with men are being weaponized against us.

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