The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

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Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

Hmmmm, @hotdiggetydog , it is called cognitive dissonance, that little voice in your head that is saying “oh shit”….

Transwomen cannot give birth and do not even have the biological potential to get pregnant - because they are male.

Women, regardless of whether they can get pregnant or not, or deliver a baby or not, have the biological potential to do so as they are female.

Transwomen are male, they are a sub set of men, and should be able to safely use male facilities and spaces. If they can’t, for any reason, that is for TW and other males to determine a solution.

TW should be able to live freely however they wish to present/whatever gender identity they identify as/however they (as adults) wish to use surgery to approximate a female body. Their sex doesn’t change, though - they are TW, not women.

There is no such thing as a 'sex change operation'.
There are various surgeries (none of which are about changing sex) to mimic a slightly closer appearance to the opposite sex outwardly.

There is no magic operation that gives a male working female parts or a female working male parts.

It's the surgical equivalent of gluing a clown nose onto your face & expecting people to think it's a real nose.

Reality is not hate.

Because they don't have male biology so are therefore highly unlikely to assault or rape while in there.

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This is becoming highly surreal

Please do point out the trans hate? Or is it pesky reality you've a problem with?

It’s offensive to compare women who have had hysterectomies with TW, and to ask why nobody is excluding these biological women from ladies’ loos. Natal women, whether they can give birth or not, are not the same as TW, because of that annoying little thing called biology. That’s why they can use ladies’ loos.

Funny how nobody ever says trans men are the same as men who’ve had their prostate removed for health reasons. It’s always about the TW isn’t it. Could it be that TW are more important than TM? Wonder why?

hotdiggetydog · Today 13:44
Plenty of "biological" women don't have wombs or can't give birth to children.
Are they banned from the ladies loos as well as trans women?

Do people really think this is some kind of gotcha???
There's no difference between a bloke and a woman with reproductive issues? Many times these blokes have actually fathered children too.

How on earth can anyone be so stupid as to think a man without a womb is the same as a woman without a womb!!

I don't think you've answered this @hotdiggetydog and I'd really like you to

Especially since many of those TW can technically sire children they just can’t CARRY them which is not the same at all.

How on earth can anyone be so stupid as to think a man without a womb is the same as a woman without a womb!!

it's desperation, indeed. I guess some men so want to be a woman (well their misogynistic version of one), that they'll change the definition in order to fit it.

There are at least 5000 posts on the trans widows threads which will testify as to how far these men will go to achieve their aim.

Watching someone say it like this in real life is ridiculous, though

Some women have wombs some don't.

In a tolerant non GB news watching non daily mail reading society, the definition of women includes trans women. It's an inclusive definition not an exclusive one.

Move with the times, it's 2023.

I am not trans hating. And I don’t think hyenas are either. Hyenas and humans are both mammals, though.

It is interesting the lies that are told in order to not be SEEN as a hater.
But I can’t help but feel - nothing - when being called all these weird things/names/slurs for simply stating facts about our shared biological reality as humans.
It makes me giggle, and I appreciate that is a luxury. My job is not on the line and I am unable to go to any meetings where I may be kettled or punched, so I am not in harms way. If I am doxxed it makes no difference; I have voiced these same opinions publicly under my own name.

I just hope the Tide really is turning, like it seems to be.

Move with the times, it’s 1933?

Hotdiggetydog you seem to be incapable of doing a Post without mudslinging. It is very telling and smacks of desperation when you know the tides are turning and the blinkers are coming away.

In a tolerant non GB news watching non daily mail reading society, the definition of women includes trans women. It's an inclusive definition not an exclusive one.

What the point of a definition of women that includes some men, and a definition of men that includes some women?

Why not use different words, rather than trying to repurpose the usual ones?

That wasn't the question. If the definition of woman includes TW, it does not include most actual women. Does it bother you to exclude women from the definition of woman?

What definition are you using?

If cats don't all have claws, does that make me a cat?

You want to know the difference between a biological woman with no womb and a trans woman with no womb?

The biological women cannot reproduce without medical intervention. Something terrible probably happened along the way that she didn’t get a say in.

The trans woman very likely just needs to find a FEMALE partner so they can sire children without medical intervention. If they can’t then it’s a high probability they willingly opted out of their reproductive organs and therefore DID get a say in it.

It is selfish to try to compare the situations and insulting to the biological women who go through life like this.

As Ricky Gervais succinctly put it "Lose the dick"

It never fails to amaze me how people can be so inextricably captured by this nonsense, happy to argue that some women have penises.

Many intelligent, well-read, left-wing people - the sort of people I used to have so much common ground with politically - truly believe TW are ‘actual women’. I used to think people were just being kind when they said TWAW, not that they fully BELIEVED that. It’s mind-blowing. People have fallen down a rainbow rabbit hole. Some men are women? Soon they’ll be saying war is peace and freedom is slavery.

Meanwhile, anyone criticising this irrational, reality-defying stance is a trans-hating hyena. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so disturbing.

Would you let post op trans women into ladies toilets? Genuine question

There was a time I would have said yes. But now I’m changing my answer. No because the TRA’s and trans women have abused their privileges. They demanded too much. Took advantage of women’s good will. Give them an inch they will take a mile. The GRC certificates are meaningless now because it means so many things that are abstract.

They will have to fight for their own SEPARATE spaces to go to the bathroom. Not piggyback off of women’s hard won spaces.

Leave us out of trans people’s problems. They should solve their own problems without involving women.

We can’t police who’s had surgery and who hasn’t, so it’s best if they all just kindly use the gents or unisex spaces. I agree with Terflady that there’s been an erosion of goodwill due to TRAs’ increasingly unreasonable demands. We need to be clear about what single-sex means. A post-op TW is still a biologically male person, not female, so does not belong in ladies’ toilets.

Before all this madness? Of course. Now? Not really comfortable with it anymore tbh, now I know why people identify as women, at least a third agp and these are the ones most likely to have surgery. Even Debbie Hayton who I respect as a tw teacher admits their own motivation is sexual agp. Now I don't think she would offend but its not what it was sold as!