Kirstie Allsopp 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Is going through her peaking journey in public late at night on Twitter. She will get there eventually but the mind twists she is having to go through are excruciating to watch.

Be kind y’all - but hmmm maybe not in women’s sports and safe spaces. Ooooook Kirstie. So we are kind sometimes but not all the time? That’s cleared that up then.

She is doing a ‘Keir Starmer’. The fence sitting is hurting her nether regions.

We should acknowledge the hate speech that has been directed towards those who describe themselves as TERFS. My take is that two wrongs will never make a right. I used to tell the kids “I don’t care who started it, sort it out” obviously this is different, but the point stands

She has tweeted this. Her poor kids. Really, this just let's the aggressor get away with it. Kids who bully other children have parents like this, and they know that their parents will never get involved.

Does she think the justice system should take the same approach?

What an idiot. I could say worse. TV certainly puts the spotlight on something horrible people.

Yes this has been depressing to watch, but tbf never really had her down as any kind of feminist or deep thinker so hardly surprising.

I saw EN retweet KA using the word that rhymes with Granny.

I think that wasn't Kirsty's words but she was retweeting somebody and saying how rude it was actually.

More TERFery. She’s already being accused of “repeating anti-trans propaganda”

I don't really understand why she’s getting so much attention and why Emma Nicholson wants to invite her to talk. Isn’t she just a rich presenter of light entertainment home makeover type programmes? Not saying there’s anything light entertainment programmes but why are people pretending the presenters have anything interesting or profound to say?

Aristo that went to multiple private schools but did not go to university. I think we can safely assume she's not an intellectual heavyweight. Not sure why anyone is trying to attache that level of significance to her uninformed, generic and reductive tweets.

She’s proper posh on both sides of the fam.

This is her dad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Allsopp,_6th_Baron_Hindlip

Not that I care but it might explain why Baroness Nicholson isn’t just batting her away like an annoying fly - they probably have some social circle people in common.

And I’d imagine India Willoughby is a little more tolerant of Kirstie than India is of other middle aged women who don’t want to be called ‘cis’ because Kirstie is several rungs higher than India on the TV presenter hierarchy!

Sounds like the pair of them did the first wife a favour.

I think Kirstie means well but she’s really out of her depth with this one. Breezing in, thinking she’s offering a lovely, kind yet balanced viewpoint on the issues… Oh, Kirstie. You’re not a mum breaking up a squabble between kids.

The so-called t3rfs are not the ones threatening violence against those they disagree with. It’s the other side unfortunately. Not all trans people of course, but the militant trans rights activists are more dangerous than the most fervently GC women. If you’re going to nail your colours to the mast, choose wisely.

On the Witch Trials podcast, JK Rowling talks about how she read up on the issue of trans vs women’s rights very, very thoroughly, looking at it from all angles, before deciding she had to speak up. Jumping into this issue on some kind of whim is ill-advised.

Actually she's behaving pretty nastily now. I'm disappointed in how she has heard all the concerns of other women and has minimised them, mocked them, called them wierd freaks, laughed at their fears. I actually am pretty sickened by her behaviour.

I agree, but I bet that - even if the experience doesn't actually peak KA herself - plenty of women witnessing this will be rethinking who ought to 'be kind' to who.

True. I was out on a mums night out last night. When I started banging on about all this about 6 years ago, they used to look at me blankly like I was some sort of conspiracy theorist. Now I'm the expert 😎 literally no-one I speak to is happy about what's happening with children, women's sports, the hospital thing was discussed. All without exception of the large group were on the same page and wondering what they could do to push back.

It’s crept up on a lot of people, all this queering of boundaries and taking over women’s spaces. I didn’t have a clue - when the JKR storm began I was completely bewildered by it all. I had no idea until last year that people literally thought TWAW and TMAM. It’s heartening that more people are waking up to it now. We need to find a way forward where trans people are free to live in peace without riding roughshod over women’s rights or encouraging children to change sex.

I also think she's being nasty.

She is calling women who care about women's rights 'vile'.

From a self promotion view I don't really get it, who are her target market?

From a self promotion view I don't really get it, who are her target market?

Kirstie seems very much to me like a man's woman. She might want to seem like 'one of the girls' but she's all about pleasing the chaps and I get the strong impression she'd chuck any woman under a moving vehicle to do it.

Oh yes, but who does she think actually watches her TV shows?

She's pretty stupid really.

Kirstie Allsopp is a little like a barometer to me.

She is confident and privileged, prides herself on her abilities, presumably partly in connection with solving offspring conflicts, but doesn't have the smallest clue about the trans issue. And certainly doesn't realise it's zero sum game.

Which is why, I believe, she's more significant than she would otherwise be.

She's representative of a certain type of fence sitter. One who might have some influence, given she's a tv presenter, but knows fuck all about the issues. So, there is something to play for in getting her on side.

And by play for, I mean who has the most persuasive argument - particularly for a
'be kind', opinionated woman.

It's whether she comes down on the side of logic, women's rights, and child protection, or whether she comes down on the side of let's be kind to the men who I generally placate.

Which is why I think her specific outlook is attracting attention.

On another note, the article managed a few fabulous turns of phrase. I see that he used to write for Dr Who. Which is interesting, given Russell T Davies' outlook.

Kirstie dropped a series of ever bigger, ever more staggeringly uninformed clangers. ‘Using preferred pronouns is simply good manners’, said Rip van Allsopp

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I had to look up that story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Van_Winkle

It reminds me of this one

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_and_Narcissus

I can hear echo chants of 'sustainability, equity, inclusion, intersectionality, TWAW'

I hope at least Phil is a a closet GCer.

I think it’s interesting that trans activists aren’t tearing her to shreds. She is being allowed to say “don’t like being called cis” and “there’s a debate to be had re sports” and as far as I can see she’s not received any “suck my girl dick” responses. I wonder if that’s because they think they can educate her further or is it because they feel like they are on the back foot and they have to take what they can get. She’s certainly a very flawed ally. She wouldn’t have stood a chance a couple of years back.

Yeah, I think they realise that their PR machine has fucked things right up.

Kirsty, despite being privileged, still has views which represent something of the 'normal woman.'

Wants to be kind, but disagrees with sport and being personally re-labelled. It's a fairly mainstream fence sitting view.

If they can reinvent themselves to be acceptable to her, it's got to be looking like a bit of a litmus test.

Most of them only really care about toilets and changing rooms anyway. Because they're not in prison, or athletic.

But Although she's dug her heels in, I still predict she will come round in the end. Except blocking everybody might throw a spanner in the works. She don't be able to see how these women are targeted.

Frankly if she deliberately chooses a TRA based echo chamber, then that's on her.

But I guarantee it will wear thin.

Rich, privileged celebs don't tend to have a massive bandwidth for nurturing the gigantic egos of loser men.

Kirstie should do us all a favour and be a true ally of the transmen: identify as a man and demand the peerage that's going to her younger brother. Let's see all those TRA misogynists fighting for the women for once.