Influential people who have children who are trans

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I have been wondering why some prominent individuals have taken the positions they have. Would it be useful to compile a list of those in positions of power or influence i.e. politicians, journalists etc. who are themselves influenced or constrained by their children or other family members' gender identity when they comment on issues with bearing on women's rights?

Influencers influence. We like to think we make our own minds up but we are all fed so much information which is precisely aimed at moulding us into the good, be kind citizens who make other citizens richer.

And if someone has influence over policy or is a technology correspondent for a supposedly neutral public broadcaster, their close relationships with young people who are trans is relevant.

As a general point - those elected or appointed to public office, (the Civil Service, local government, the police, courts and probation services, non-departmental public bodies (NDPBs), & health, education, social and care services are supposed to operate under the guidance of the Nolan Principles of Public Life. How does signing up to political activist groups like Stonewall (or any other organisation trying to make society a hostile environment for women & girls) comply with these expectations?

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

Kelly Jones from the stereophonics has a trans child.

I would say celebrity families wield incredible power, not least in terms of access to mass media to amplify their message.

There’s people of power and influence in politics and education and health care influencing and changing policies, funding, language and we should know if they’re personally invested. I don’t see that as any different from any other form of lobbying.

Then there’s people of power and influence in the creative world, influencers, singers, actors, screenwriters etc and personally that’s the group I’m currently most concerned with as the likes of Elliot Page proudly pose topless showing off their double mastectomy scars grinning away splashed across my DCs Instagram posts. They are profoundly affecting young impressionable teenage girls. Why can’t they STFU and live their lives quietly however they wish.

Another one to add to the list - as we've long suspected, the fox killer has a daughter who identifies as trans.

twitter.com/canpacinobox/status/1647905778257514498?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

www.bbc.com/news/health-55015959

I've fallen out with people I thought were friends over Nolan principles.

I don't think Nolan principles are remotely considered by anyone in local or national government anymore.

Today's current BBC main headline doesn't exactly lend weight to anything different...

He's gay and a TRA but don't think he identifies as trans himself?

To be honest, there could be no other possible explanation for his behaviour. This is personal.

Why does it matter? Because they have to be full believers. The idea there could be grey, nuance, mistakes, is too scary for them to deal with, the consequences are too extreme. These people are the zealots and it matters because WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG!

That's in reply to the Fox basher tweet.

I don't see the issue with this thread at all. All the information being discussed is in the public domain, no-one is being outed, and celebrities have enormous reach and social influence.

Also not sure about "most oppressed minority". I saw that Judy Blume has quickly had to recant. For such an oppressed group, there seems to be an awful lot of power over other people's speech going on.

Sad to find out that one of my favourite singers, Lea Salonga, has a trans son who's only 18 but on hormones apparently.

Exactly. R Kelly's daughter was born in 1998, there was loads of homophobia in the US at that time (Bush Moral Majority era). Yes, she was in celebrity/entertainment circles, but that doesn't necessarily mean people were super gay accepting. Think of the backlash when Ellen came out in 1997, and then the homophobia the Oscars & others displayed to stuff like Brokeback Mountain in the early 2000s.

Homophobia is also stronger in the black community due to greater religiosity. That extends to the entertainment industry.

The world has gone mad.

Agreed. The only thing I find shocking is quite how many very prominent people - whether celebrities or politicians- are caught up in this. I was aware the ideology was particularly embedded among the wealthy and privileged but it’s scary to see the extent of it. This info is in the public domain- Emma Bunton, for example, actively uses her own social media to speak about her child. It’s that that makes me uncomfortable, not it being subsequently discussed on a parenting platform where many, many mums are concerned about their own kids’ welfare and the grip this ideology has over them.

the fact trans ideology came from nowhere to exert such control over our speech, our lives, our bodies and those of our children, merits analysis. Very wealthy and influential people have been behind it. I seem to remember there was even some speculation about Keir Starmer’s children, based on the fact that one seemed to change sex during a newspaper interview. I appreciate it would be an incredibly hard thing to be open about and I certainly wouldn’t want to see any young child splashed all over the newspapers, as has happened with previous politicians’ families. But I think at least some honesty is needed - perhaps even the honesty to step back from a decision that impacts competing groups if you yourself are tied to one of those groups, in the same way politicians are forced to declare financial interests.

Chairs and members of NHS England committees. Also true of trusts and ICBs.

Probably true for the Civil Service and a range of NGOs and ALBs.

He has 3 daughters and 2 are identifying as males. So sad, but you can see the source of his activism now.

That explains so much about the persecution of GC authors.

People with trans kids should recuse themselves from anything to do with trans, at least in their capacity as public figures.

The thread should really use inverted commas. Otherwise we on MN collude with the fantasy: Nobody can 'trans' into being the opposite sex, any more than they can 'trans' into being a chicken. Therefore, if someone declares he is a chicken, dresses in feathers or even if he gets a plastic beak implanted on his nose, we call him 'transchicken', using inverted commas to indicate he is not a real chicken.

Arguably it is regrettable that people with power or influence are just as illiterate, scientifically, as are the general public: For reasons of patriarchy, the world is skewed to whatever men like, i.e. competition and boasting as a proxy for fighting. Much of the world which men have created depends on being fact-free: Consumerism, religion, patriarchy politics: All use "believe this", which is the opposite of scientific mindset.

Every cell and system in a male body is male. Any scientist should be unafraid to say so. As should any doctor.

Please, then, can MN stop using the Stonewall language, other than in inverted commas? Nobody is trans anything, (therefore nobody can be anti-trans) nobody is cis, nor gender critical. Every use of those words without inverted commas is a tacit approval of a lie, and a lie dangerous to women and children.. But every added inverted comma is a fight back for sanity and scientific realism.

I do think it's valid to talk about this. One of the presenters of the Remainiacs/ Oh God what now podcast has a trans identifying child. He's mentioned this on twitter in an angry rant at JK Rowling a few years ago, I'm not 'outing' anybody. The result .. their coverage on the issue has become unhinged. It's affected all his colleagues too, I assume because they want to support their friend. It's what Helen Joyce talks about, it matters because it affects the discourse.

I think this is a bit too much. By that logic, gay MPs wouldn't have been able to support gay rights, black MPs couldn't support anti-racism etc

Tweet spotted today (you can find it yourselves)
Stephen Kinnock is reported to be the father of an adult trans child. So why is he standing by while this government wages a relentless campaign against the trans community? As a parent, I could never sit alongside colleagues who deny my child’s right to exist.

Look at the guilt tripping and coercive attempt.

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Don't stand so close to me

It does matter not only because of trying to convince themselves (v possibly not being true believers) but because celebrity offspring and celebrities themselves have enormous social media presence that influence young impressionable children and teens.

For example, Eliot Page and that Canadian comedienne are referenced by my DC and their friends with great admiration about their authentic trans selves. It does influence young impressionable people. Such a shame that they chose that route in reaction to experiencing horrendous sexual abuse but they’re adults. However, why oh why must they post multiple insta posts with their tops off showing off their mastectomies scars? Doing untold damage to young teens.

Edited to see I’ve already said my piece on EP. As you were.

David Tennant - non binary child.