Influential people who have children who are trans

[ThatWasThat]

I have been wondering why some prominent individuals have taken the positions they have. Would it be useful to compile a list of those in positions of power or influence i.e. politicians, journalists etc. who are themselves influenced or constrained by their children or other family members' gender identity when they comment on issues with bearing on women's rights?

R Kelly child, who announced trans, then de-trans, says:

When I was younger, I always felt like I had to make a choice. I knew that I was a girl who liked other girls. But because of what I was taught, I felt like the only way you could like another girl is if you were a boy.”

I mean, I'm sorry but that is just really stupid. No one talked to any of these children about emotions? And that it was ok? Beggars belief.

I do wonder if part of this is having the most fashionable child, I was thinking of An Fab when Edie discovers Saffie is carrying a mixed race child and is delighted because it is the height of chic at the time

I'm a bit uncomfortable about this thread ... I'm not sure what it's looking to achieve?

"Isn’t Musk estranged from his trans child? I thought he was now a big believer in biology now?" And his ex-girlfriend Grimes then dated Chelsea Manning, formerly Bradley Manning, the Wikileaker whose campaign to be transferred to a woman's jail may be one of the starting points for the Left's adoption of 'trans rights'. Probably also helped in Manning's very swift release. At the time I naively assumed Manning was gay (as in same sex attracted, not a 'male lesbian'). I think many, like me, on the liberal-left, did.

100% agree with this

I'm not comfortable with this thread either, especially when in most of the examples given, 'influential' just seems to mean celebrity. I want no part of it.

Im assuming it’s to explore why some people with considerable social & political influence who are otherwise in touch with reality are so gung ho about removing womens single sex spaces and in the case of people like joanne harris using their position to encourage eg the bullying & harrassment of authors who disagree with her

Hey eyeball thanks, that I do understand. Something about it feels different to the other discussions on this topic though.
Appreciate your reply though.

Yeah it's more of a hit list, pitchfork kind of vibe.

Pretty nasty to refer to the experience of a 14 year old trying to get to grips with their sexuality as "stupid".

I think so yes. In a similar way, but different my oldest (scientist) told me at college all the trans/non binary TWAW people are 99% arts/humanities students. Most science students like him just nod and smile but think it's all nonsense - especially the male ones.

Now he's at uni its a similar split.

And by trans I mean TRAs not people with gender dysphoria - i.e. a psychiatric condition that should be treated with empathy.

Hey does anyone know if making lists of members of an oppressed minority has ever ended badly before?

an oppressed minority 😂

I can't believe you're genuinely likening Tras to what happened to Jews during the holocaust.

He got a special award from Stonewall for introducing mixed sex toilets in the DfE. He presided over a time when adult trans activist groups were given unimaginable amounts of money and free access to schools via the DfE. The same adult groups got free publicity & were recommended to schools via statutory guidance (eg the Equality Act guidance).
And we wonder why some schools are merrily socially transitioning children, removing parental rights and running safeguarding breaching LGBT groups? It's because the DfE sold them the lie that children can change sex and that adults with a fetish have an important place in children's education.

Tell me that you are not drawing the comparison that I THINK you are...

I think they is

@BombasticSideEye
Neglectful of all involved, particularly the parents who clearly didn't talk to her about emotions. If they had then they'd have realised she was only gay, and thus wasn't an issue, but because it wasn't discussed it then went on to be the bigger issue of transitioning. Which was Uni necessary. So yes, ti not discuss these basic emotions, which are nothing major, does seem silly.

Have you all considered just...living your lives?
Getting outside maybe, or having a laugh with a friend?
Perhaps something to think about

Then your comment should have been directed at the parent, not at the quote made by the child. It read as her thought process being stupid.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic. Sadly the impact of self invested adults - including those who are parents of vulnerable children - are having an impact on society. As these issues have until recently, been enforced via no debate edicts, it's only now that we're allowed, in a democratic society, to ask who is exerting such influence and why.
The example I gave above of the senior civil servant at the DfE is well evidenced and he spoke openly about his interest in Stonewall. It's legitimate to query why his views were allowed to influence our children's education to such an extent.

The political influences certainly need to be discussed, especially when policy is going to be based on a politician's relative or favourite constituent rather than the population as a whole. And no amount of scolding or attempted shaming should divert us from that.

Then focus on the policies, not the people making them and their loved ones.

I get what you’re saying @Floisme but it’s people that make policy so it’s hard to divorce the motivation from
the people. If the permanent Secretary at the Dept of Education actively pushed through loads of stonewall ‘let’s get head of the law’ policies because he had a trans child then I don’t think it’s wrong to ask questions.

as for lists lol yeah - wasn’t it Labour who came up with the infamous bad women list that Wes Streeting was part of? What was TERF blocker if not a list?