Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

When I think of sensible, compassionate Labour MPs why does the image of Rosie Duffield spring to mind so readily 😂
In all seriousness she won a Tory seat and I would imagine that ‘Stevenage woman’ would find her middle of the road Labour views compatible. She could offer the leadership some valuable insights into how to campaign. Oddly, when KS visited Kent recently, he didn’t find the time to meet the one Labour MP in the county. I fear a hung Parliament with the LDs asking for self ID as part of the package

They don't want to.

They are the people Matt Goodwin describes.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4781863-dalai-llama-ask-a-child-to-suck-his-tongue?page=16&reply=125326682

If there was a GE tomorrow, I’d hold my nose and vote Labour. They simply couldn’t be worse

Why would you think they couldn’t be worse? You just need to look around the world to see there are plenty of countries in a worse state than the UK. There is certainly plenty of scope for doing worse.

The Labour Party's treatment of the wonderful Rosie Duffield is absolutely shameful and disgusting as are the Lefty bros baying for her blood whenever she has the temerity to speak.
Labour has a huge misogyny problem and a leader who is incapable of defining what a woman is without including penis wielders in his definition.

And people are planning to vote these idiots in to government?!

It's, 'you're either with us or against us' thinking which is really strange coming from people who constantly tell us gender is 'complex' and accuse us of being unable to acknowledge nuance.

Yes Dead sea school style, many hardcopy books for home education too should be kept aside if Labour win the next election, the extent of gaslighting we see in Canada, USA, Scotland and NZ will really harm children.

Years ago RedToothbrush recommended this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/hypernormalisation

Dead sea scroll

Well said. Have you SEEN what's happened in Afghanistan. The women there were pretty shocked IIRC when a lot of men (Not all men obviously) stood aside and let all their human rights get taken away.

This idea that however incompetent, however steeped in anti-woman and child ideology Labour is that they CAN'T do worse than the Tories is extremely naive.

The damage to the economy from Brexit won't change if Labour are in charge - it's a nightmare and will continue to be. What will happen is Self Id - with women's rights being trampled on. I've never voted Tory in my life, but I can't vote for Labour now either. Misogyny has made shocking inroads into main stream politics, and Labour has a massive issue with their TRA support. It doesn't matter what Starmer says now on the issue, Labour can't be trusted with women's rights and I'm sure he'd backtrack on any compromise he announces to calm the waters during an election. I kinda hope that the various women's groups get together and put candidates forward in the next election.

You don't even have to look further than Wales. Labour has been in power for 22 years.

In devolved matters it's full-on genderism in things like funding for "women's" services, school and health policies. Have a look at these documents
https://www.gov.wales/lgbtq-action-plan-wales

Senedd members attacking anyone who raises concerns about this.

Same problems as England and worse in the health service.

Some amazingly ill-judged decisions on industrial and commercial investments 0 to look up the Circuit of Wales and the £7.35 million Welsh taxpayers will never get back.

Very good point. Also Scotland.

Yes I look at what the left are doing in Wales and Scotland and I know I don’t want to go in that direction

According to the Mail link above.

This all happened on Sir Keir's watch and there is absolutely no evidence that he ever objected to these (on paper) remarkably soft sentencing guidelines, which took effect in April 2014.

At no point did he publicly voice so much as a flicker of concern about the fact that introducing them could result in significant numbers of child sex offenders being spared prison.

And if the earnest Director of Public Prosecutions happened to voice any scepticism in a more private forum – for example during any one of the 21 Sentencing Council meetings listed above – those remarks failed to find their way into any official minutes that were subsequently published, all of which have now been reviewed by the Mail.

These ads would appear to have been put out without any oversight, whatsoever. Which seems to be in accordance, with labour admitting that they don't bother following their own research.

Don't follow their own research, don't ask the shadow cabinet about inflammatory adverts before publication, and don't check with the leader of the party what he thinks about guidelines that he himself discussed, as part of the committee overseeing them.

Who, exactly, is running the bloody party? Because whichever way you cut it up, it's incompetence on steroids.

Look they IDENTIFY as competent and BELIEVE they're competent so we're all big meanies (or committing hate crimes, possibly, if Labour actually get in) for pointing out they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

They are TELLING us they're competent and that's all that matters.

It's so TIRESOME when the Mummies think they have independent thought and don't just accept our Labour overlords word for everything.

Yes bloody bigots. Probably all racist and homophobic too.

That's interesting Datun. Although from my memory SC minutes don't record individual comments or how they vote or reach agreement. They record issues -
as The Council considers, the Council has agreed, The Council will. Etc etc.

As you can see here -

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/web_14-09-2012.pdf

Lynton Crosby definitely didn't invent attack ads! The Tories did the one of Blair looking satanic in 1996. Labour retailiated with one of William Hague with Margaret Thatcher hair in 1999 (to suggest that Hague was the new Thatcher).

Tories relied quite heavily on the idea that Corbyn was AS during the 2019 campaign. Labour in turn made much of Johnson's personal life and failings.

Attack ads in elections have been around since the 18th century I believe.

What's striking to me about these ads is how much Labour is straining to capture Tory ground on crime and other social issues. That implies that Labour is starting to worry about its ability to win over the all-important swing voter in the next GE.

‘Labour isn’t working’ was a simple effective as with image and words

Saatchi I think did those

The incompetence but also the lack of simplicity is evident.

More than that I think that there is full blown panic going on as the most recent ratings seem to show that their lead is now at 14%. Not sure how extensive this poll is but it could well show the way that the wind is blowing...

It's gutter politics and it will backfire. Occasionally works if it hits a nerve but if it hits a wrong note people just laugh.

It was also tried by Zac Goldsmith's campaign (Lynton Crosby there I think!) against against Siddiq Khan for London mayor, trying to make him out to be an Islamic fundamentalist. While he has his faults, he's definitely not one of those.

I'm actually pleased Labour are trying this because while normally a natural Labour voter, I don't want them in power until gender ideology is deeply unfashionable all over the world.

So Starmer insulting Sunak is Starmer insulting women?

No. Nice try though.

Lots of great comments here and these capture a lot of it for me:

What's striking to me about these ads is how much Labour is straining to capture Tory ground on crime and other social issues. That implies that Labour is starting to worry about its ability to win over the all-important swing voter in the next GE.

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These ads would appear to have been put out without any oversight, whatsoever. Which seems to be in accordance, with labour admitting that they don't bother following their own research.

Don't follow their own research, don't ask the shadow cabinet about inflammatory adverts before publication, and don't check with the leader of the party what he thinks about guidelines that he himself discussed, as part of the committee overseeing them.

Who, exactly, is running the bloody party? Because whichever way you cut it up, it's incompetence on steroids.

I remember the New Labour, New Danger advert. It made the Tories look deranged. These recent ones somehow echo what was wrong with that one - in that they seem to be so worried they're coming off deranged. They clearly haven't consulted widely in the party, leading to the question: who is actually in charge? Reed and Rayner? Cooper has actively distanced herself from it (leaking that she wasn't consulted), Blunkett wrote a MoS op-ed attacking it, and almost none of the shadow cabinet including Starmer have retweeted it!

And because they've gone back to 2010, it's brought about lots of valid questions about Starmer and his role on the Sentencing Council, and Thornberry's own criticism of Starmer as DPP which may otherwise have been left buried, not to mention Starmer's signing of a letter about not deporting convicted, violent criminals who went on to commit further violent crimes.

I assume that the Tories are sitting back and letting them stew in this unnecessary own goal.

I assume that the Tories are sitting back and letting them stew in this unnecessary own goal.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake and keep your powder dry, to mix two military metaphors.

And now the next ad goes after Rishi’s wife 😐