Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

Your own claim is very silly.

Hypothetically Starmer could have been kicking and screaming against the policy in meetings, and in that situation OK he wouldn't be responsible. Have Labour tried to argue that? Did Starmer care enough to put anything on the record at the time?

Starmer was likely a part of the decision, and that makes him responsible.

Now the government is also responsible, because in theory it could just pass a new law giving mandatory minimums that everyone gets locked up.

But Starmer is still responsible and a hypocrite regardless of the government having ultimate control.

Well yes they want to educate the unwashed bigots in to the ways of ladypeen and queer theory rather than listen to voters.

The Government can require the SC to revisit sentencing guidelines. They've done it quite recently. The SC then has a statutory duty to review them. The Government also has representatives at the review meetings.
Part of the issue will always be lack of prison places (a lot of which are taken up by those on remand).

They are tribal and can't seem to put themselves in others shoes. When I was a member I pointed things out to them, they would get angry and say a Nusre should vote labour, or the WC should vote labour as it was better for them, they wouldn't entertain that someone wouldn't be tribal.

I tries to explain I knew someone who wouldn't vote for anyone short because short people used to joke how is the weather up there? Stupid I know yet that's what people are like.

I knew someone who votes for Blair and Cameron because they said they are nice to look at when on the news.

I knew someone who said they turned the TV off when Brown was on as his jaw tick made then feel nauseous.

I think this is a bit of an odd choice by Labour. But I think rape cases are a problem no matter what strategy is used, prosecute a lot, or only prosecute those with a high chance of conviction. Because sure, you can go ahead and put more through the courts but if they are unsuccessful that looks shitty, and IS shitty, too.

Trying to won more cases is another problem altogether and I don't think anyone really has a handle on that, including Labour.

My gut feeling is they were trying to find something that makes the Tories look bad on women's issues, to try and push back against the gender ideology problem Labour is facing in the polls. I'm not sure they've found it though.

But maybe most people will take it at face value?

@MarshaBradyo I am a floating voter, and naturally right of centre.

but I do expect integrity from the people running the country.

I am appalled at the way this country has been run since 2010. You only need to look at the threads on here about how this country has declined in recent years.

the vast majority of us are poorer than we’ve been for years.

unfortunately I don’t see Labour as an alternative yet, but no way would I vote Conservative now.

I think you could increase rape convictions if cases could get in to court quicker. Currently the lack of barristers and judges, backlogs & closure of many courts mean victims and witnesses can wait several years and have often had trials rescheduled.
It's only part of the problem of course but it's a significant issue.

Thank you for this.

I read an article in the Guardian ages ago which I annoyingly can't find again but it basically said that Labour have certain set assumptions about the electorate which they are wrong about (the data does not back it up) - the assumption that working class communities are all racist was one of these things. The assumption that people voted Brexit purely from racism was another. They DON'T seem to do enough proper research, and we've seen recently from the census that badly worded questions with preconceived ideas driving them end up with meaningless data.

Recently there was an interview with Angela Raynor where the issue about women's single sex spaces was brought up and the journalist asked her if they'd looked into how many votes they'd lose from the policy to abolish single sex spaces (TWAW) and Rayner indicated they in fact HADN'T done this. They are so sure they're right. It was after this that we had the condescending menopause guff from Labour.

The Tories are - sad to say for the country - far more in tune with what the electorate really think. Their change in stance on women's rights and ability to define a woman shows this. Sure, they know what we think and ignore it anyway (or do the bare minimum that they think is necessary to be re-elected whilst doing their best to line their / their friends pockets) but in terms of facing reality, they are better than Labour. And facing the truth and reality is the bare minimum of what I need from a party to vote for them because if they don't accept reality then we're in very dangerous territory.

This sort of attack ad is something that is done on both left and right but this is just pure incompetence. The Tories do it better - focusing on the failure to do anything about a specific well known paedophile like Savile who many people reported but nothing was done is far more politically savvy.

Labour reek incompetence. Not being able to answer a basic question like 'what is a woman?' makes them seem dishonest, stupid and incompetent. No-one wants to vote for that. They very well could lose the next election by shooting themselves in the foot despite the open goal that the Tories have gifted them.

And on the one specific policy that I've gathered Labour have so far:

Given that Wayne Couzens was not arrested for indecent exposure shortly before he murdered Sarah Everard and since we've had Carrick (who knows how many more there are) and yet the police have arrested KJK three times for saying words - in many cases factual words - that other people thought were mean, I'm not that reassured by Labour's policy to increase the police force. I think it could quite easily go the way of the Stasi with women and girls being arrested for stating that biology is real whilst predatory men rape women and girls with impunity.

So the government is at fault for not asking the Kier Starmer’s committee to review their recommendations, but Kier Starmer is in the clear despite making those recommendations? Are you suggesting that if labour had been in power Kier would have made different recommendations?

I’m your left of centre equivalent.

And I agree.
Not happy with the mess the Tories have made (but didn’t expect anything else from them really!) but a long way from being satisfied that current Labour are capable of forming a viable alternative (and bristling at their tendency to patronise and take for granted their traditional voter base)

As Matthew Goodwin points out in the video @FOJN has linked above, the problem both parties (all parties?) face is one of voter apathy - loads of the public don’t trust any of them and votes cast will be made begrudgingly rather than enthusiastically.

I live in a super safe Labour constituency that recently had a parliamentary by election and my vote is a mere drop in the ocean but I’ve gone from Labour member to ballot spoiler (still Labour in the local depending on who the candidate is).

If we have an SDP candidate this GE I will likely vote for them, in the hope of demonstrating a public appetite for sensible centre-left policy.

https://sdp.org.uk/new-declaration/

After everything the Tories have done over the last few years, they’re all up in arms about a pointed ad campaign ?!

Have you been living in a parallel world where the Tories have been escaping criticism? People are perfectly capable of criticising the Tories AND Labour. Tories doing bad things =/= Labour being perfect.

I think they're panicking a bit over women's rights and are trying to deflect from the issues Labour has over single sex spaces, and their support for Self ID. If any man can claim to be a women, at any time, how do you convict a male for flashing? If Labour say 'women can have penis's' then flashing doesn't exist as a crime for biological men. Instead of dealing with the issue they have (and watching the mess in Scotland you'd think they'd have a rethink), they are trying to act like they are the party that cares about women. This is gutter politics of the worst sort. The Tories are corrupt and incompetent - you'd think he'd focus on that.

"So the government is at fault for not asking the Kier Starmer’s committee to review their recommendations, but Kier Starmer is in the clear despite making those recommendations? Are you suggesting that if labour had been in power Kier would have made different recommendations?"

Did Starmer make those suggestions? Was he overruled by the 8 judges and 5 other legal representatives? I don't know and I'm guessing you don't either.
I'm not actually a Labour voter so I'm not going to suggest what they might have done. Maybe they wouldn't have closed as many courts or maybe they wouldn't have introduced policies which led to so many barrister leaving. Who knows.
But yes the Government can require the SC to review guidelines via the Lord Chancellor.
And yes I think we deserve a well run justice system - from the police, courts, prisons & probation.

But we do know he did nothing to distance himself from those recommendations.

Not happy with the mess the Tories have made (but didn’t expect anything else from them really!) but a long way from being satisfied that current Labour are capable of forming a viable alternative (and bristling at their tendency to patronise and take for granted their traditional voter base)

This is my position at the moment. I am a single issue voter for the time being. None of the main parties are offering anything which appeals to me, I find them all very disappointing but I will vote conservative for the first time at the next election because I feel so strongly that self ID should not become law. If all the other main parties took self ID off the table I would spoil my ballot again. If self ID was off the table and the SDP had a candidate in my constituency I would vote for them.

Have you been living in a parallel world where the Tories have been escaping criticism? 😂

Why do the arguments always come down to 'mean Mummies, accept my reductionist black and white way of thinking rather than displaying critical thinking and nuance'.

Anyway, I'd love to vote SDP or POW or an independent who knows what a woman is and will if I have a candidate. If the election was held today, with no alternative candidate I would vote Tory with my nose firmly held. Attempts to shame me won't work.

If people think we can't go backwards on women's rights like Iran and Afghanistan have donevthey're sadly mistaken. As a PP said the crime that Couzens committed when escalating to murder is effectively legal with self-ID. That is not insignificant. We will see more Couzens under Labour if they implement this policy.

The economy can recover much more quickly (and historically has) than loss of women's rights

Excellent post.

Yes, it is a very clumsy attempt at deflection from the Labour party's woman issue; and an attempt to claim some of the same ground as the Tories.

Sheltered world?

They are still in power, and may yet be voted in another term if the comments on here are anything to go by.

If there was a GE tomorrow, I’d hold my nose and vote Labour. They simply couldn’t be worse.

But so many people on here would still vote Conservative- madness!

I’m a firm believer in criticising both, but if you read my post, I was referring to the criticism from Tory politicians-not the public.

It’s the Tory politicians on R4 getting their knickers in a twist about a POSTER when they’ve royally fucked the country (then lied about it) that make my jaw drop!

Yes, that would prevent crime reports being made and understood to be crimes.

I don't know how they have the cheek to try and attack the Tories on this when their policies are the ones which have decimated safeguarding in schools. Yes on the Tories watch although notably many schools are going against government guidance / the law in this area and adopting Labour policy despite the fact it's illegal - as children do still have the legal right to single sex toilets.

You can't protect children from paedophiles if you let people change their identity at will, you can't protect children from paedophiles if you let men pretend to be women and enter single sex spaces. You just can't.

Or are they arguing 'yes, with self ID loads of paedophiles will access single sex spaces and evade the DBS check but we'll give them longer sentences afterwards...'

Why does everyone on here assume that if you criticise the woefully inept Labour party then you must be a Tory?

I would vote POW if there was a candidate in my area and be very proud to do so.

I remember Venice Allen saying that she is collecting old dictionaries, at one point I made sure I had a hard copy of a biology book and Bible, I think I will also get a hard copy of a book on crimes.

I was going to throw out my extremely old GCSE and A-level biology books but you're right, Ginger I should keep them.