Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

Many years ago my mum worked in the Foodhall of our local Marks and Sparks.
She said people who were content to queue at the checkout in Tesco (6 doors down) would get snippy and irate in a shorter queue in M&S. Customers expectations were calibrated differently depending on the shop.

Same with Tories and Labour.

No one expects the Tories to be nice or to play fair.
Whereas Labour claim the moral high ground whilst not actually occupying it.

From the Mail upthread:

As several senior party figures distanced themselves from the poster that has caused a huge row within the party, Labour sources said that Cooper “had nothing to do with it” – despite being in overall charge of crime policy for Labour.

It is understood that Cooper and most of the shadow cabinet were caught unawares when it was released on Thursday on social media,

And Emily Thornberry certainly didn't know about it, she was caught off guard in an interview on the radio. On being asked whether labour intended to fund more prisons in order to accommodate more criminals, the answer is no, because they were going to try prevention, rather than tackle punishment, as they're the 'party of optimism'.

So no one knew the ad was going to be published, they didn't realise Starmer formed part of the committee upholding the policy and they don't have a procedure to imprison more paedophiles themselves.

Whether one agrees with dirty tricks tactics, or not, implementing them without telling your party leader or any of the shadow cabinet, or checking the background of the policies you're denigrating, or having a policy to counter them, probably isn't the most sensible idea if the whole point of the exercise is to make yourself look good at the expense of the party you're vilifying.

The Tories could take any number of the posts on this very thread, whack them on a billboard, with the rider that Labour don't know what a woman is, and head it up with 'incompetent wankers'.

I think this is ill-timed and ill-advised. I don’t think the electorate appreciate personal attacks, and just because the Tories do such things doesn’t mean that Labour should. It also opens up an own goal and shots are already being taken. Who is signing off this stuff? They seem inept, and they’ve put the Labour front bench in a difficult position.
I’m not a Labour supporter - am centrist and always voted LD before they became captured by genderists - but would like to have a reason for voting for them, and they’re really not giving me one. If Labour isn’t careful, it will lose the next election by its own efforts.

This hadn’t occurred to me ,I’m relieved to say, but I think you are bang on the money, there.

unfortunately I think Labour believe that all Tory voters are racist, so they will sign up to this smear. Just as they like to believe that all Tory voters are sexist…..( although it is true that they still seem to know what sex is)

I think it will backfire, people don’t like being condescended to and underestimated ( hi Emily).

I think it will backfire, people don’t like being condescended to and underestimated ( hi Emily).

Good point Emily Thornberry a good reminder of how much the electorate dislike the Labour we look down on you stance

On being asked whether labour intended to fund more prisons in order to accommodate more criminals, the answer is no, because they were going to try prevention, rather than tackle punishment, as they're the 'party of optimism

Well now that is something isn’t it? All this criticism about the tories not locking up child sex offenders but Labour aren’t addressing that at all. They’re all about prevention. So what do they do with the offenders still being processed? What’s their master plan to prevent any more happening from now on, since they’ve got no policy regarding punishment. It’s all well and good talking about prevention but that takes time so what are they going to do in the meantime about sentencing? The long wait to get to court?

Yes, Boris Johnson tried some very dubious arguments when he was fighting for his survival. Labour however are not, so why play like you're on the losing side with one minute to go?

I'm afraid it's not just a matter of Tory voters.

Do you think the Labour party hasn't done research on attitudes amongst Labour voters and potential voters?

Why do you think Starmer has also said that with Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU or join the single market or join a customs union?

Apparently they are going to increase police numbers and patrol. Haven't heard any other strategies yet. Oh, other than optimism of course.

Exactly this, I'm sure I've given many people the impression that I'm a far-right Trumpist as I tend to primarily criticise the left. But I don't think I need to criticise the right as they're so obviously awful it goes without saying! Plus I tend not to encounter people trying to defend the behaviour of right in my circle whereas too many seem determinedly blind about the behaviour of 'their side'.

Agree.

It has to be Rayner, she wants to be leader even if by default and she is a walking DARVO.

Yes we all remember the white van man incident.

With what money? How will they tackle the endemic problems within the police before getting more, from where?

How will you make the general population have any respect for the police? Considering the forces reputation is lower than the floor and sinking.

I know you dont have the answers. I'm just musing out loud as it were.

God I really do think they believe we are stupid and they actually dont want to be in power.

On being asked whether labour intended to fund more prisons in order to accommodate more criminals, the answer is no, because they were going to try prevention, rather than tackle punishment, as they're the 'party of optimism

I'm all for optimism but I'm really unsure how you are going to prevent crime. Any crime. A criminal who wants money will always find a way.

Perhaps thats going to be how they do it. Take away safeguarding, change how the victim is perceived, downgrade the crime to the point of decriminalisation ergo no crime. Its been effectively stopped according to statistics. They've already gone this way with certain drugs and paedophilia, and rape is not far behind. And Labour want to go further than that, Its all rather chilling if you look underneath.

Labour are only doing well in the polls because people have been pissed off at the Tories. Now that Rishi is doing a half decent job Labour are getting scared and hence these ludicrous attacks on him.

Labour would be better establishing some policies - and telling us about them - and understanding and then protecting women's rights but this will never happen.

Sshhh, I don't think you're supposed to ask questions like that! Just accept that the Tories are evil and trust it will all be better with Labour and don't worry about all the boring details :)

But he wasn't a good DPP according to contemporary news reports being circulated on social media. Quite the opposite.

After everything the Tories have done over the last few years, they’re all up in arms about a pointed ad campaign ?!

was a bit rich listening to Conservative interviewees howling with outrage over this when they think it’s fine to lie and cheat on a daily basis.

I hadn’t paid the ad any attention, until the conservatives made a thing of it.

Sunak is the Prime Minister- he’s in charge. Ultimately he’s responsible for the way the country is run. If he doesn’t like it, maybe make changes to legal system?

Labour needs to start looking like a Government in waiting. Provide sharp and professional analysis of any failures of the current Government and come up with a slate of their own policies. They need to act as a strong opposition, and as a more palatable alternative to what we have at present.

If they can do this they will win the next election by a mile.

Attack politics are not the answer. Nor are the optics of respected shadow Cabinet members like Yvette Cooper, being left out of the loop.

Do you think the Labour party hasn't done research on attitudes amongst Labour voters and potential voters?

I found this interview with the political scientist Matthew Goodwin quite interesting on the point you raise. Listen from about 3 minutes to about 10 minutes as he explains how Labour seemed far less interested, than the Conservatives, in the research which would have helped them reconnect with their traditional core voter base.

How will they prevent? Make more mixed sex spaces and gaslight girls at school better?

Starmer as DPP had no ability to change sentencing of child abuse- that's a government decision.

It's the Sentencing Council which makes recommendations about sentencing. Keir Starmer was a member of the Sentencing Council.

This is fascinating…I wondered why there’s such outrage over an ad campaign after the behaviour we’ve experienced from the Tories over the past years.

There was a political spokesperson on the other day who correctly pointed out to win Labour need the people who voted Conservative in 2019.

If you’re a committed Labour voter and voted for Corbyn anyway it’s not really your vote that will swing it.

It’s the people in the middle and if they think this ad is annoying or whatever then that’s Labour’s failing.

Labour supporters like to think that everyone sticks to a party but it’s not the case. It’s this belief that helps them lose though.