Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

Who said that women should give up their sex based rights to help Labour win?

What do you think this whole thread has been about.

Women who would like to vote Labour wont because they will bring in self id.

ie Labour will implement a law that means women will lose their sex based rights.

How would anyone who is on FWR forum would know that is the fundamental underlying issue.

Why do you think there are so many threads about the GRA, GRR, EA, etc., etc., etc..

Women voting for Starmer is like turkeys voting for christmas.

I feel the same way about women voting Tory.

What is your basis for thinking that? How are you coming to that conclusion?

Loads of reasons Sheleft.
This trans shit show.
Austerity
Brexit
The NHS
Education
Immigration
Policing and Criminal Justice
The economy.
Corruption
Lies
Incompetence
Arrogance
The state of the country.
The mess in NI.
The contempt that they've shown to all of us.

How do you know those things are bad? Hearsay and rumour or something more?

The history of the last 13 years Tory government, the state of our rights and our country today. The Tories have failed and have failed us in practically every way.

It isn't hearsay or rumour. It's reality.

Totally missed the point.

The difference is that just about everyone is saying they dont like the Tories but they do want politicians who support women's sex based rights.

We aren't all idiots who dont know about other factors, but, and nobody has answered this question

Why should women give up their sex based rights and put their priorities lower than anyone else.

For those of you who have seemed unable to grasp the issue, despite that fact that nearly every FWR thread is about it, provide a convincing arguemtn why women should sacrifice themselves for everybody esle.

No amount of virtue signalling about how awful the tories are (we all know that) explains why anyone should tell women to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.

What is the point of better schools is the curriculum is full a gender bullshit

What is the point of giving more money to the NHS if it means women aren't allowed to have services specifically aime at biological females.

So once again, the question is why do those, who seem caught in some bubble of Labour PR rather than understanding the point being made by the majority of this thread, think women should vote Labour and sacrifice their sex based rights.

Its a very simple question and it is implausible that you dont understand it.

And quite honestly if you dont think women's sex based rights are important, why are you of the FWR which is about how to preserve women's sex based rights.

But I suspect there will never be an answer because there isn't a legitimate one, unless you think women are second class citizens whose rights can be abolished.

So you mean that is what data and documentation shows? (Though it doesn’t show whether Labour would have done better). We show that something is bad at the moment (eg cost of living which reflects a global cost of living crisis, economy, nhs waiting lists) and on the basis of that knowledge we can campaign to change it or, if we are in power, attempt to change it and monitor the effectiveness of that intervention.

What labour wish to do with self ID is not only destroy women’s rights, but also destroy the data that shows this, that enable us to push for change. That destruction of the fundamental story of women’s lives cannot easily be set right.

What I would really like is for people like Boots to suggest who would be a better option, since she consistently says ballot spoiling is no good, and that she isn't shilling for Labour.

I don't expect any more of an answer this time than all the other times she's been asked.

Demi, I can't tell you who to vote for. I don't know who I'll be voting for myself.

You have choices beyond Labour and Tory. And we still have another year to go.

SDP?

Sheleft, I'm not an SDP shill. I'm not a Labour shill. I'm not a shill for any political party.

How can anyone tell you who to vote for, when you don't even know who will be standing in your constituency? You could end up with another Jamie Wallis.

Or a Miriam Cates.

Lots of people undecided apparently

Undecided millions lean towards Rishi Sunak, poll suggests

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6d420fde-dafc-11ed-89ad-19e3cfc05db4?shareToken=ecee22cce7546593182dfad00943d778

No one wants you to "tell us who to vote for," who do you think you are?

Suggest what in your view might be some viable alternatives who are actually likely to be options for people. If not the Tories, or Labour, or ballot spoiling, than who will have a coherernt policy on this and is running a goodly number of candidates, in your opinion?

Stop avoiding the questions about real politics.

I won't be recommending any political party Demi. Surely that's the sort of thing shills do. They make all sorts of claims and tell all sorts of lies for their party to influence your vote.

I'm not keen on spoiling a ballot paper because it is a waste of a good vote. Instead of spoiling, give your vote to a local independent. They won't win but they might get their deposit back. Its like an investment in democracy.

Whoever you vote for, the Tories are out at the next GE. So if your strategy to protect women's rights is to vote Tory, its not going to work and you should look at something else.

They never answer this straight question.

Because they can’t I assume. Then dress it up with all the bumpf about other stuff.

Aren’t you in NI?

Yes Emotional. So I don't have a horse in the Tory Labour race. The only thing that concerns me is women's rights.

This is exactly what’s happened round my way - Labour still win but turn out is utterly abysmal.

I see, so you don't face quite the same dilemma. It might have been helpful if you 'd been more upfront about that from the outset but thank you.

Sorry, I thought most people knew.

The only thing that concerns you is popping up to say things like "this is how I feel about women voting Tory", failing to engage with the discussion (in fact, not even engaging in what you wrote about having a view on voting one way or the other and that you have no horse in the race!) and trying to derail the thread.

It's as predictable as it is tiresome.

No it isn't Resister. The Tories have been and continue to be disastrous for women's rights. Yours, mine and all women in the UK. I will not wheesht about it.

They will lose the next GE, so voting for them in order to protect women's rights isn't going to work if that's what your strategy is. Supporting the Tories seems to be the OP's thing, but I don't think they live here.