What is a woman, by modern standards and definitions?

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Outright - I’m a sex not gender woman. But I’ve reached the point of so what exactly is a woman, as defined by inclusivity to gender based identification? If woman is gender-based, what is a woman by that definition?

For me, it's the physical body - biologically, what we are born as.

I get the feeling that when trans people say they "feel like they're a woman", or they "feel like a man", and their biological sex is different, that what they're talking about is their essence or soul. The problem with this is that not everyone believes in the concept of a soul, and even if they do, they don't necessarily believe a soul has a gender, and rather the soul is genderless and it just inhabits a physical body which happens to be one or the other during the lifetime on Earth.

Things get further complicated when you take into account that those who do believe in souls believe that each person is made as God intended, etc (therefore to mess around with what God intended is an atrocious thing to do).

We can go on and on... But you see where this leads... It will never be possible for the world to unite on this topic, for this very reason in my opinion.

We can not and should not force other people to have the same faith beliefs as us, it'll never fly. There are too many of us with too wide a variety of life experiences which leads me onto my next point...

Our own beliefs on soul/science depends on where we are born, when, education, the place we are born, grow up and live, the family we are born into and the people around us as we traverse through our time on this planet. And of course, what we see on the Internet and the good ol' algorithms (Netflix's Social Dilemma, anyone!?). So we also have to consider the element of social contagion, in my opinion, also here.

It's all very messy.

A woman is anyone who says they are. They know they are a woman as they feel like one. Feeling like a woman is a feeling just like feeling hungry. So just as you know you are hungry, you can also know you are a woman. There doesn't need to be a definition of woman because you just know, just like everyone instinctively knows what hunger feels like.

So we have no more say in whether someone is a woman than whether they are hungry.

It makes perfect sense.

But no two biological women will have the same experiences of womanhood so the question is rather redundant. I don't 'feel' like a woman because I am one.

JacquelinePot · Yesterday 21:34

^One of those Matt Walsh clips the
other day had a man saying that he knows he's a woman because women tell him so.^

I'm convinced that all the women he knows rush over to him daily, to chant, "Kevin! You're a real lady! You're all woman!" simply because they believe it.

And not because he looks head and shoulders over them and asks them if they think that...

@WhiteFire that’s interesting but, from the standpoint of language, there’s a common understanding of what hungry means and that it signals a biological need to eat. What does woman mean in language terms?

It’s somewhat off topic, but my autistic child is very poor at recognizing hunger.

Fair point; so how would you liken this to the discussion? Or, how do you best support your child in recognizing hunger?

A transwoman I know told me she had always known she would grow up to be a woman, and some of her earliest memories were of looking at her mother and believing she’d be like her some day. My daughter has early memories of believing she would grow up to be a fairy, and the disappointing day when she realised she wouldn’t.

The fact that, pre transition, this transwoman would rail against her father saying he would never accept her as a boy/man sheds some rather interesting light on her position though…..

Trans hate speech.

Taxpayer1 do they?!

You can 'identify with' someone, but not 'as someone' or something'. If you are identifying as something you are not then your identification can only ever be a performanc; selecting aspects that appeal to you, or that you relate to.

Dylan Mulvaney, but wait he's a GIRL.

He is the biggest trans troll in the history of the ideology, I reckon he is doing all this to show how ludicrous it all is, while at the same time making a small fortune for himself. Clever man.

@taxpayer1 why? How? How can I be expected to accept if I cannot understand? Is it not permitted to ask how the world defines what a woman is? Genuinely

Questions on a postcard to the Irish government who passed the GRA in 2015, they will have the answers 😉

Of course children grow up in thew shadow of their parents's psyche and the parental relationship. I've often considered whethere strong maternal desire for a child of a particular sex can have an impact on a child that happens to be of the opposite sex. I'm sure it does.

There is a good Netflix documentary 'Petite Fille' that looks at the experiences of a young French boy who believes he is a girl. His mother openly admitted how strong her desire had been throughout pregnancy for a girl child. she also semd not unduly perturbed as transitioning him.

not unduly perturbed at transitioning him

I’m now imagining an all Tervern Devo covers band.

Are We Not-Men?

A woman is anyone who says they are a woman - the 'woman' in the second half of this sentence is defined as 'anyone who says they are a woman'. The 'woman' in the second half of that sentence is defined as 'anyone who says they are a woman'. The 'woman' in the second half of THAT sentence is defined as 'anyone who says they are a woman'.
Clear enough? I could continue further if needed....

You are, of course, being ironic? In what way would it make sense?

Because if that was the case being a 'a woman' is menaingless; it just means whatever anyone wants it to mean.

Only if you have an unstable or unhinged grasp of reality does that make any sense.

Everybody understand your reason for posing the question.

Do you have an answer to the question you could share with the group?

This is such a first world order of question, anyway. It exudes privilege.

@NotHavingIt i guess many of us live in the first world so, yes quite pertinent in understanding where we align with that

Yeah it’s real War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery stuff.

The TWAW bullshit dissolves at the first rational hurdle and all that pushes it on is aggressive social media brain washing, threats, fantasy, tantrums. And money.