What is a woman, by modern standards and definitions?

[mamakoukla]

Outright - I’m a sex not gender woman. But I’ve reached the point of so what exactly is a woman, as defined by inclusivity to gender based identification? If woman is gender-based, what is a woman by that definition?

Woman = someone in the gender class that likes pillow fights, high heels, and giggling.

Hang on.. back up a minute...

What was that about Mormon underwear????!!!???

Do I really want to know or will I regret asking?

Am so ticked off with this. No one is asking ‘what is a man’ it’s assumed that we know. But because some males want to redefine themselves we now have to ask what a woman is. F@ck the f@ckety off.

@PopGoesTheProsecco asking about woman because I know what I define that as. But sure, any people identifying as male - what makes a person male/a man?

+1 but a bit worried… but also intrigued! Definitely not googling Mormon underwear

Temple Undergarments.

People who believe in the doctrines of the Church of Latter Day Saints are supposed to wear special ‘modest’ underwear.

If you don’t have faith, Temple Undergarments just look like frumpy white knee to neck onesies.

If you don’t follow the faith of Genderism, a GRC just looks like a bit of paper.

For the rule makers, whether that be church elders or the government, these artefacts have meaning, they demonstrate that rules have been followed.

Normies are not supposed to see Mormon Pants nor GRCs.
They both exist to prove that the faithful are following rules that the rest of us have no belief in.

I actually have more respect for the undercrackers than for the bit of paper that declares an adult human male is an adult human female.
At least the big pants keep you warm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

I’m an atheist but Mormon Sacred Pants make more sense to me than a GRC 🤷‍♀️

It is easy to tell.

If an adult says they are a woman and society calls them stunning and brave and 'slayyyyy', they are a man. Aka a proper woman.

If an adult says they are a woman and society shouts and screams and wishes death and rape on them, they are a woman. Aka a front holer.

That's basically how we know.

This 👆🏼💯

the main competing definitions seem to be:

(a) adult human female; and

(b) someone who has/thinks they have/says they have adopted or 'identifies with' the modes of dress, behaviours, etc which in our society have come to be associated with adult human females. bonus points for attempts to deny the ability to deny the ability to objectively identify (a), the sillier the denial the better.

I know which I prefer.

"Shifting constellation" sounds like trapped wind if you ask me.

I'm surprised that we've got three pages in and no one has mentioned the less than glamorous aspects housework!! I mean, there may be exceptions but if you're responsible for cleaning the toilet in your home you are probably a woman. Ever cleaned out a cat litter tray, or picked up your dog's poo without making a scene? If yes, definitely a woman.
I'll stick this definition alongside the catcalling one shall I?

Andrea Long Chua a porn-obsessed transwoman writer was lauded as a feminist prophet for describing the “barest essentials” of “femaleness” as “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes”

As I’m not a rubber sex doll, I guess I’m also not female. So, that’s nice 🙄

Those differences are not to do with one’s brain, but to do with the testosterone coursing through their bodies. Plus socialisation from birth!

Ah, yes. Long-Chu, who famously said ‘everyone is female and everyone hates it’.

Chu claims to be inspired by the (bonkers) Radical Feminist Valerie Solanas of SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) aka the woman who shot Andy Warhol.

Here, arts Magazine Frieze almost gets one of the many differences between Chu and Solanas - Chu wasn’t cancelled by Queer Theorists & Liberal Queer Intelligensia, Chu has been lauded. Chu has been celebrated by the mainstream.

Solanas’ work, which (unlike Chu’s) was written with the aim of improving women’s lives, was more or less ignored until she shot Andy Warhol.

Which one was born with a penis, do you think? Chu or Solanas?

https://www.frieze.com/article/everyone-female-and-everyone-hates-it-andrea-long-chus-theory-desire

(first image is Chu’s book, third image is an extract from Frieze’s article, last two are from this belated NYT obit on Solanas: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/obituaries/valerie-solanas-overlooked.html )

FWIW - castrating men (chemically or surgically) doesn’t seem to make them any less likely to ‘mess up any more women’s lives’, but then Solanas died long before The GenderBorg demonstrated this.

Disclaimer for TRA lurkers:
IMO ALL violence is wrong. Solanas should not have shot Warhol.
Solanas’ mental illness and desperately awful backstory are contributory reasons for her crime but reasons are never excuses.

According to some video I saw recently a woman is a woman if other women say they are a woman. I don't think I've ever been told I'm a woman, so despite the two kids I've pushed out my vagina I must not be...

This definition certainly explains the hatred directed at the women (old fashioned, cunty women) who who refuse to use she/her pronouns when talking about males!

TRAS are very coy about giving a legally workable answer to this question, but I imagine womanhood is now just a free for all. You’re a woman if you say you are one, if you appear feminine, etc.

Is there any way to tell the difference between a transwoman and a man without asking them or them telling you? Bearing in mind that asking can cause offence, how are we supposed to know that someone with broad shoulders and narrow hips is a woman?
Someone like that in anorak and jeans was peeing in the ladies loo in the Tate the other day with the door open and I assumed it was a transwoman until he came out and saw me (also in anorak and jeans) and apologised profusely for having mistaken the door.

In biology any mammal that has gone through puberty is an adult. Therefore if you are talking biologically then a 10 year old can be an adult and therefore a woman. 10 years olds can go through puberty.

In the past people used to believe that female humans who had gone through puberty were adults and could marry. Although puberty tended to be later, maybe about 13. In some parts of the world that is still true.

In this country we say that a girl becomes a woman somewhere between 16 and 18 I guess. We have a social definition of who is a woman and not a biological one. This is the problem that I have with people like Kathleen Stock who say that biology is only important thing. I don't think they have thought it through.

1. Adult Human Female
2. Anything that wears a low cut top, hot pink in some form (lipstick, item of clothing), skirt, terrible makeup/wig, giggles and head tilts. Oh, and long hair.

the grey area around "adult" is widely known (exemplified by e.g. the many different ages oh majority, e.g. being criminally responsible at 10, opening a current account at aged 11, getting a part time job at 13, then getting a whole cluster of rights at 16, being able to drive at 17, then getting pretty much all remaining rights at 18, etc) and more importantly not really controversial at all, since 'women's space' is nearly always shorthand for 'women's and girls' space.

"female" is different, for obvious reasons.

‘You are a woman if you say you are’ - so if my parrot says ‘I am a woman’ are they one?

I am an adult human female, but don’t ‘identify’ as a woman. When I say that to trans/TRA’s they claim I’m being silly, and of course I’m a woman. But on what basis can they say that?

I notice some of our more contraversial friends are sadly not around to offer their opinion here - and I’m guessing they won’t be.

timetorefresh - According to some video I saw recently a woman is a woman if other women say they are a woman. I don't think I've ever been told I'm a woman, so despite the two kids I've pushed out my vagina I must not be...

I wonder how did they know that these women saying they were a woman were actual women ...... how did he recognise that a woman is a woman?

Well, if we are to take TWAW types at face value, being a woman is simply the act of being not a man.

So, man “feels uncomfortable being a man / has defined mental illness / whatever” then he’s by default a woman.

Maybe the Green Party had it right all along - we have men and not men.