Nike choose Dylan Mulvaney to promote womens sportswear range.

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Do you know what Nike? Forget about “just do it”, as far as I am concerned you can just do one.

I always enjoy the whole activist argument of 'never consequence an ally of ours for their actions, because of you then harming the people our ally harmed and exploited in the first place. Which magically is your responsibility to take care of and not theirs.'

And I will look at frankly appalling advertising on a whole lot of different fronts, reflect on what associations I make with seeing a male advertise clothing for women while prancing backwards into a bush in a muddy back garden, and as a consumer, will make my own decisions thanks.

The point is, and it is loudly clear by now to all readers, is that you feel you can dictate the conditions that spur women to reject a brand.

You are a male, on the feminist board, telling women where to direct their attention to suit your political agenda.

It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

You can frame it anyway that you want to. But you are telling women who object to a brand telling them what is and isn’t the womanly ideal, or how to celebrate womanhood, that they are wrong and the implication is that they are transphobic.

That is what people can see you are doing. This is like posters telling women that until we sort out women and girls living in poverty, we should not give any attention to something else. Or spend out money on a brand or not.

first, I don’t have to justify being here any more than you do. But, second, if you’re implying that I’m a TRA, you’re welcome to have a trawl through my posts elsewhere (of course it’s your right to do that anyway, and of course it could all be a massive subterfuge. But, genuinely, it isn’t).

on the (off-) point of a sports-related thread that another poster keeps invoking, I argued that hockey wasn’t in the same category as say football or rugby from a safety position (mixed hockey is very much a thing) and that, if most participants were happy with a couple of trans women (=men) participating, then it was not cool for one or two people to block that. Most people disagreed; that’s fine

and I’m posting here because the thread popped up on ‘active’ and it seemed pretty jarring that PPs were fine to buy Nike stuff - which, indisputably, comes with moral baggage - until the point they stick out one ad featuring a trans women (which I agree is crass) . That’s all.

Not dictating, just probing @Helleofabore , because it genuinely doesn’t sit right with me.

if you are telling me I shouldn’t post here because I’m male, then I’ll listen to that.

You are perfectly free to post here. But you also need to acknowledge what you are doing.

You say you are ‘probing’. Bullshit. You are making a point. You are fully aware that you are shaming women. Your posts are not ‘probing’. They are accusing.

I’m not interested in engaging with men on feminist issues when all they want to do is correct, criticise, explain, show faux concern and pretty much tell women that they’re wrong about everything all the time @thedancingbear

I get nothing from it, and I’m struggling to understand what you get from it.

So l won’t be engaging with your or your ‘points’ again.

well of course I’m making a point, but I think it’s a reasonable one, that I’ve made in a reasonable way. I don’t see how I’m ‘shaming’ anyone. If you can explain to me how that is the case, I’ll listen.

My irritation with Nike is that they are actually-
promoting and paying for an offensive stereotype of women exercising. They are paying a man to advertise a women's product when they could be paying a woman, or the labourers in sweatshops you refer to.
They are promoting someone whose body is not female to model and demonstrate women's clothes.

As a woman, I find that incredibly offensive. A parallel might be to use a woman to model the fantastic fit of a cricket box, while swaggering, spitting, swearing and belching. 'Cos you know, that's what men are like.

Exactly. She could also scratch her groin, yell abusive things at passing teen girls, uncap a beer bottle with her teeth, after sitting down taking about four chairs worth of space.

It's not difficult to think of all sorts sexist gender stereotypes, but only one set seems to be getting paid for by large firms.

I have already posted how your posts shame women.

And we already know that you believe you are ‘reasonable’. You think it is reasonable to shame women for their boundaries on this and other issues. We know you think shaming women for their boundaries is reasonable.

Just as we are rightfully pointing out the misogyny behind your posts. The fact that you wish to make the point that women are somehow transphobic because they have said they feel that Nike, a brand that is supposed to celebrate sportspeople, with issues in the past with not sponsoring a pregnant athlete, had instead used a male famous now for being a ‘girl’ to advertise women’s sports wear.

We understand you don’t see the misogyny in what Nike have done, and you don’t see your own misogyny behind your post. Doesn’t mean that it is not there and that women reading along cannot see it though.

And it could also be videoed in someone's muddy back garden on someone's phone, and uncomfortably performed in the manner of a young teenager showing off on an instagram to other young teens, in a way that makes you cringe for the poor kid.

I suppose it's very cheap compared to what Nike generally spends on their advertising.

Has anyone read what a female athlete had to say about this? Brave to speak out, especially with Nike’s treatment of female athletes in the past, like Alysia Montaño.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11950925/amp/AMELIA-STRICKLER-Trans-TikTok-star-Dylan-Mulvaney-makes-total-mockery-female-athletes-like-me.html

Fuck off, Dylan Mulvaney. Fuck off with your offensive fucking shtick. I don't give a fuck about you or your feelings or your fucking desires. Just take your embarrassing fucking appropriation of some bullshit 1950s ad man's version of 'feminine' and fuck off and fuck off again and fuck off forever.

I did. She is spot on.

Yet, the implication is that we are transphobic for being angry at this, because we haven’t sorted out the appalling conditions that other women and even children face in the production of these goods.

You really cannot get much more misogynistic than a brand telling women, including female athletes, that this is where Nike will choose to spend their sponsorship money. That is on an influencer known to be taking opportunities from women while showing the world what it is to be a ‘girl’ that seems to centre every stereotype that women and girls have fought for decades. In a clip that embodies the actions no woman does unless they are taking the piss out of fucked up stereotypes.

But …. We cannot be angry. We cannot choose how we wish to show our displeasure because to do so makes some males uncomfortable. “It genuinely doesn’t sit right with” them.

Yeah. Women stating their boundaries and saying enough is e-fucking-nough! about a male telling women how to woman, or ‘girl’, while the world celebrates this individual’s regressive stereotyped performances, supposedly as a ‘girl’, makes some males uncomfortable. Now taking a sponsorship role from a female athlete…. Yes…. We know it makes males uncomfortable…..

Stands in the shouty corner with Arabella. 👏👏
The crap that women have to put up with at the moment is off the scale. The only positive that Dylan has to offer society is that Dylan is a one person peaking machine who sherpas people up those mountains with amazing speed.

I think you want them to fuck off, is that right Arabella?😀

We need a Nike tick and ‘Just Fuck Off’

“I argued that hockey wasn’t in the same category as say football or rugby from a safety position (mixed hockey is very much a thing) and that, if most participants were happy with a couple of trans women (=men) participating, then it was not cool for one or two people to block that. Most people disagreed; that’s fine”

if it is mixed sex hockey, fine that is their choice.

If it is women’s hockey, then no. And only a misogynist would tell women they should accept males into their female sports teams.

I know quite a few international hockey women, and you would be a fool to think that males in their team would be no danger to the female players. I have watched plenty of international games and it is crucial that female players are protected. It is a contact sport.

Found an image for this thread!

Helle Female hockey player after female hockey player came on to tell him that they had played mixed sex hockey and how many more times women got injured in it compared to.women's only. They described the qualitative differences between mixed-sex and female-only. They spelt out to him that women playing women's hockey had evidently picked to play it over a mixed-sex team, and there were reasons for that.

None of that mattered to him. He in his man's body does not experience increased injury risk in mixed-sex hockey, so therefore women can't. And women cannot possibly be allowed to judge the risk and decide what risk is acceptable for themselves when it is their bodies that will be injured. Nope! What would they know of their own opinions?

(We're not even getting into how the OP discovered the opposing team was fielding male players by... finding them in the female changing rooms)

Male feelings are more important than female safety.

@NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision

Excellent! 😆

Mumped Bonus Deadpool, too!

My old flatmate back in the day was always moaning about his boss , P J Mulvaney. A subcontractor from , iirc , County Mayo.

Old P J didn't pass very well either. But I digress.

Yes, I want the man telling me, a grown woman, that he knows how it is to be woman because of fucking hair and some facial surgery to fuck off and stop insulting me.

And insulting women who work their arses off to get ahead in their sporting endeavours, while faffing about uselessly in a field? Fuck off. Fuck off with your faux naif twaddle.

And getting a letter from the fucking VP to congratulate this twit on being fucking authentic? The most steaming pile of shite I've ever heard, you disingenuous lying, patronising, idiot bastards.

Fake, lying, bullshit pish.

After seeing female hockey players ‘non-contact’ tackle each other for a ball at full speed, there is no fucking way that is safe for a male to do under the guise of being in a female team.

Nor an uncontrolled ball coming at legit height with male shoulder power and skeletal leverage behind it. Or the male ability to change directions more quickly due to male twitch muscles. Or female more fragile brain fibres and neck muscles so if there is a collision the likelihood is the male travelling faster with greater momentum and could cause significantly more damage.

Really, only a numpty who is fucking clueless about women’s hockey would ever suggest it was
‘safe’ to field a male in a female team.

Ditto from me!