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Riley Gaines assaulted

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Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:28

She is the swimmer who has spoken out about Lia Thomas (both about him exposing himself in the changing room and being forced to compete against him). Now she's been attacked at San Francisco state university

twitter.com/hogshead3au/status/1644202379376578560?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

The mob violence is escalating

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Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:21

bellinisurge · 07/04/2023 09:19

@Signalbox , it's very Red Guard. The more you look at Maoism and the Cultural Revolution stuff the more you see parallels.

Yes. It’s very similar, except the Red Guards started with a political purpose and this is purely anti-women — very strange. The manic zeal is the same, and the absolute conviction and the thrill of destruction.

The present-day version (Pink Guards?) get bolder every time they get away with carrying out an attack against women. They know the police won’t stop them.

Misstache · 07/04/2023 10:27

As for the Black women there, there’s also in progressive circles a lot of pressure on “cis black women” to speak up for Trans women. Indya Moore (who dated a serial rapist of Black women) Laverne Cox and all have lectured Black women about how Trans Black women are dying and it’s Black women’s fault for not speaking up (we can’t stop men from murdering and raping us but somehow have the power to stop them from being transphobic). Plus, during the George Floyd protests, Trans people began hijacking that and suddenly it was Trans Black Lives Matter so for young people where that’s their main experience of protesting they see the issues as connected. I think a lot of people feel demoralized that after protesting so hard in 2020 there haven’t been any real changes other than cosmetic elite stuff and that there’s a huge racist backlash going on so it’s easier to scream at a “privileged cis white woman” than take on the entire system. Black women are still struggling to even be in swimming (black people were banned from public pools until 50 years ago in most places) and can’t even get a hair cap that fits our styles approved you’d think the last thing any black woman would want would be men taking those spots.

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:30

Misstache · 07/04/2023 10:12

I’ve protested at events and been at events that were protested in turn - people turning out to protest Bush during the Iraq War, pro life people protesting and being protested, Israel/Palestine protests, literal actual Holocaust deniers speaking, people protesting corporations and oil and politicians from genocidal regimes. People who have lost loved ones to violence are at many of these protests and I’ve never, ever, seen this kind of energy and I’ve stood beside people protesting a politician in a regime that murdered their family members. Normally people - including the people protesting you - chant, hold signs, yell “shame” and read out either demands or accusation. But punching people, screaming obscenities, the level of hysteria and rage (and yes, it seemed to be largely from young women in that clip), the following of her to shout misogynist insults, the absolute shrieking, frothing rage - I genuinely haven’t seen that. What is it about this issue that genuinely unhinges people or that teaches this is the necessary response? Is it the rhetoric? The crowd energy? I genuinely don’t know.

I agree, I’ve seen or been involved in many political protests over the decades and it’s been as you say. I protested against the National Front in the 1970s and never saw anything like the frothing rage you see quite routinely in a trans mob today.

As belliniSurge says, the Red Guard in 1960s-70s China was the nearest. And I know many Chinese people who shake their heads in bewilderment at the memory.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 10:30

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:21

Yes. It’s very similar, except the Red Guards started with a political purpose and this is purely anti-women — very strange. The manic zeal is the same, and the absolute conviction and the thrill of destruction.

The present-day version (Pink Guards?) get bolder every time they get away with carrying out an attack against women. They know the police won’t stop them.

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Pink guards indeed, yes they get very excited.

I could see this in my Mum as she watched Jeremy Kyle and my Dad as he watched sports. They had an energy in them that was almost superhuman and I had that energy directed at me as a child.

As I say he ended the physical violence against me as I became less vulnerable it didn't get worse. They both smeared me and still do to this day.

TRA will never stop they will chnage targets, they should be on lists as this will carry on throughout life.

NotHavingIt · 07/04/2023 10:32

Sittwritt · 07/04/2023 07:50

That’s a lotta angry men running after a woman and joyfully shouting obscenities with gusto at her. I love moments like these being captured on camera.

Its hugely sad but we’re not back to square one here even, the misogyny is way beyond anything, like before women had public toilets and had to pee before going out abx before the suffragettes. Nice one progressives.

A lot of women too......I'm truly perplexed. They are in total denial, and so nasty with it.

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:34

black people were banned from public pools until 50 years ago in most places

Misstache, that’s disgusting. Was that in the USA? I never heard of that in Britain.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 10:37

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NotHavingIt · 07/04/2023 10:38

ZombieMumEB · 07/04/2023 09:55

As more and more people peak, the TRAs are losing their power, they then escalate their violence.

This is not going to end well. So many governments are cowards, and adding fuel to the fire.

Robert F Kennedy junior is planning on challenging Joe Biden for the democrat leadership. It is his organisation that JK rowling handed back an award to - because they had denounced her as transphobic. His oprganisation is full on 'trans rights'.

Florissant · 07/04/2023 10:38

black people were banned from public pools until 50 years ago in most places

No. Wrong. This happened in some places in the south of the US.

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:39

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 10:06

Having lived with an actual insane (as in has spent months in a mental institution) violent man, I can assure you, increased violence has nothing to do with them losing control of you.

I actually think in his case the opposite is true. He left my Mum when I got to 15, as I was too big to hit anymore. He got really depressed and was crying. I ws jumping for joy, my friends thought I was telling lies that he was leaving as I was so happy, they couldn't understand what life had been like for me. His violence on me was because he couldn't beat up the people who actually upset him or beat up himself, he was a gambler. I see TRA as the same losers and illogical as they can't understand basic things like maths. That's why they get so angry about KJK saying she never loses.

The TRA remind me of him so much, death threats, projection, calling me the Anti-Christ (he was the athiest and one displaying the behaviour not me) demands that I be kind, he never was to me.

They will move in to new targets, we are nothing to them, we aren't fully human to them only they are, we are an object.

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CheekyRascals, I’m so sorry you had to endure a childhood like that. You sound very calm now, when noone could blame you if you were filled with hate. Well done for building your own recovery xx

Misstache · 07/04/2023 10:42

Florissant · 07/04/2023 10:38

black people were banned from public pools until 50 years ago in most places

No. Wrong. This happened in some places in the south of the US.

No, there was official (legal) segregation in the South, but informal segregation in both the U.S. and Canada including in Northern states as well. I actually just read an article about this. I should have said more like 60 years ago, not 50, but black people were frequently banned from public beaches and from pools until well into the 60s.

ResisterRex · 07/04/2023 10:42

black people were banned from public pools until 50 years ago in most places

Wow are we saying the UK had the Jim Crow laws now? Hmm

Misstache · 07/04/2023 10:44

This is in America which is where Riley is speaking. Honestly, the segregation and discrimination in pools is well documented.

Mammillaria · 07/04/2023 10:49

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2023 10:21

Yes. It’s very similar, except the Red Guards started with a political purpose and this is purely anti-women — very strange. The manic zeal is the same, and the absolute conviction and the thrill of destruction.

The present-day version (Pink Guards?) get bolder every time they get away with carrying out an attack against women. They know the police won’t stop them.

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Pink Guard is a good term for it.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/05/15/asia/china-cultural-revolution-red-guard-confession/index.html

The parallels are strong. The Red Guard may have started from a political position, but I don't think that was the reason for its terrifying success.

China: Confessions of a Red Guard

I have lived a life haunted by guilt.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/05/15/asia/china-cultural-revolution-red-guard-confession/index.html

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 10:55

There have always been mobs of idiots ready to work themselves into a fever and enact violence on those they see as their enemies.

The crucial point here is that the state and the police, who traditionally have protected the public against extremism, terrorism, and violence, are not unequivocally doing that now.

They are in some cases tacitly supporting and promoting the same ideology espoused by the violent mobs.

I'm not quite sure what the precedent is for that.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 10:59

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 10:55

There have always been mobs of idiots ready to work themselves into a fever and enact violence on those they see as their enemies.

The crucial point here is that the state and the police, who traditionally have protected the public against extremism, terrorism, and violence, are not unequivocally doing that now.

They are in some cases tacitly supporting and promoting the same ideology espoused by the violent mobs.

I'm not quite sure what the precedent is for that.

Maybe we should put a version of Jeremy Kyle back on for them with paid actors for then, they can jump out of their seats in excitement at the physical fights and all be an open prison together and leave the rest of us alone.

Mammillaria · 07/04/2023 11:03

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 10:55

There have always been mobs of idiots ready to work themselves into a fever and enact violence on those they see as their enemies.

The crucial point here is that the state and the police, who traditionally have protected the public against extremism, terrorism, and violence, are not unequivocally doing that now.

They are in some cases tacitly supporting and promoting the same ideology espoused by the violent mobs.

I'm not quite sure what the precedent is for that.

I think you've hit the nail on the head

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 11:05

Now that I've RTFT ...

I see the parallels with Mao's China and the Red Guard, but agree this seems slightly different. There's more pseudo-religious thinking involved - gendered souls, etc. The Red Guard was a real collectivist movement (as violent and cruel as it was), whereas genderism seems to be more hyper-individualist. The end goals of the Red Guard was upholding the state - what is the end goal of genderism? Tearing down societal norms?

Although the Red Guard was foccused on destruction of the 'four olds', so maybe that is the common theme. Destruction and attack on the old order, 'revolution', etc. It's just genderism seems to be enacted more inwardly, with body modification, purification rituals, etc.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 11:08

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 11:05

Now that I've RTFT ...

I see the parallels with Mao's China and the Red Guard, but agree this seems slightly different. There's more pseudo-religious thinking involved - gendered souls, etc. The Red Guard was a real collectivist movement (as violent and cruel as it was), whereas genderism seems to be more hyper-individualist. The end goals of the Red Guard was upholding the state - what is the end goal of genderism? Tearing down societal norms?

Although the Red Guard was foccused on destruction of the 'four olds', so maybe that is the common theme. Destruction and attack on the old order, 'revolution', etc. It's just genderism seems to be enacted more inwardly, with body modification, purification rituals, etc.

It's overall destruction, themselves, others and the world alongside the Euphoria excitement that gives them superhuman strength and blocks off the brain from functioning other than in pure attack mode.

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 11:09

Stasi crossed with Red Guard crossed with Scientology crossed with Jeremy Kyle-audience?

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 11:16

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 11:09

Stasi crossed with Red Guard crossed with Scientology crossed with Jeremy Kyle-audience?

You see this opposite thing, is it defiant disorder? with the women who had a mastectomy and thry are delighted? My daughter and I both noted it with the woman who spoke to KJK in the USA tour, KJK was at the bottom of an amphitheatre.

Contrairians attracted and energised by destruction and violence.

They need to go on watch lists, nobody should be harmed in the home or workplace by them, I dread to think what that GP KJK debated does to patients.

CheekyRascals · 07/04/2023 11:19

It's also the energy given off by men when their team score a goal, that energy doesn't limit itself to that occasion.

nilsmousehammer · 07/04/2023 11:21

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 08:52

They are working their way up to murder. This may sound like hyperbole but I honestly believe that this is where they are going.

I hope that Riley has good protection and is safe.

That.

This is a violent, woman-battering movement rooted in Mens Rights Activism.

It is escalating because of cowardly and politically captured groups who have enabled it rather than presenting it with normal boundaries.

In NZ it would not have taken much at all for this awful movement to have killed two women, goodness knows it tried.

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