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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tickle vs Giggle

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KCOZ · 06/04/2023 05:18

For those of who are aware of the Tickle vs Giggle court case in Australia, Sall Grover is looking for some gardening to be done to support her defence. The deplorable response of politicians and the press in Australia to the Let Women Speak rallies, only emphasises how important this case will be.

Just search Giggle crowd fund - she has set up her own site to avoid any potential censorship by the established sites

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TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 07:26

Count how many normal women have been created in WA in the past 16 years. So, what’s a normal man?

https://grb.justice.wa.gov.au/A/annual_reports.aspx

Annual Reports

https://grb.justice.wa.gov.au/A/annual_reports.aspx

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 08:18

This is a good speech but I am not sure it will convince the judge.

https://x.com/rachaelwongaus/status/1778282185121996944?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Bridie Nolan, barrister for @salltweets in landmark women’s rights case #TicklevGiggle, dismantles applicant’s case that Roxy Tickle is ‘psychologically’ a woman 💥💥💥

“What is a woman, if thinking one is a woman, means one is a woman? A woman is not a thought.

The applicant’s lawyer’s summation of a woman is not only deeply offensive but absurd – how one dresses, where one shops, etc.

Both sexes can shop on the opposite side of the aisle.

The more troubling and insidious aspect of the applicant’s evidence, is that there is this entitlement to access spaces where the female sex go, proving incontrovertibly that the applicant does not have the psychology of a woman.

Our society recognises the importance of single-sex spaces in certain circumstances – female-only toilets, dormitories etc – to keep women safe from male violence. These are the very places the applicant says he goes.

When a woman who is biologically born and always so - whether she has had her reproductive organs removed or not, whether she thinks she’s a male or not - walks through a dark park in the middle of the night, she does not stop to think: I wonder what side of Kmart this person shops from, have they had their facial hair removed, have they told people in the workplace whether they’re a woman or not?

She doesn’t do that. She doesn’t stop for one second to do that.

She senses instinctively what she perceives to be a threat. She tightens her fingers around her keys. She speeds up.

If a man truly had the psychology of a woman, he would know that and not enter female-only spaces.

This proves the applicant lacks the psychology of a woman. That the applicant is not a woman.”

Transcribed to the best of my ability.

End of tweet

https://x.com/rachaelwongaus/status/1778282185121996944?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

borntobequiet · 11/04/2024 08:26

That is a very strong and well constructed speech.

Crouton19 · 11/04/2024 08:27

The hearing seems to be over with rather quickly! I was expecting a couple of weeks or so.

FannyCann · 11/04/2024 09:07

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 07:26

Count how many normal women have been created in WA in the past 16 years. So, what’s a normal man?

https://grb.justice.wa.gov.au/A/annual_reports.aspx

Wow. Amazing the statistics and documents posters in here dig out!

Just a quick look - 56 normal women 22-23

What does that make the rest of the population who aren't men???

FannyCann · 11/04/2024 09:17

Regarding the shopping requirements I am reminded of an obstetrician I used to work with. His favourite "joke" was when performing an ultrasound scan, having already determined the baby was a girl, he would concentrate closely on the head (raising a sense of anxiety in parents as he seemed so intent on the head) and then pronounce "And I can see it's a girl" - the parents would look suitably amazed as anyone could see it was the head he was looking at and then his punchline "Here's the shopping centre" as he pointed randomly to the brain.

Of course the husbands/partners (men) would chortle happily while the mother would nearly faint with relief that there was nothing abnormal in the brain.

One day I must have scowled particularly grumpily as he commented that I wasn't laughing prompting a retort that I'd heard it before.

If only I'd had Mumsnet back then. He'd have had a much more biting response.

Anyway, it was just shopping. Not shopping in the women's section. 🙄

DiabolicalFinial · 11/04/2024 09:18

Mainstream media is posting very, very little about the case. Any reporting on tv has been blatantly one-sided, with Sall described as anti-transgender, and using “she/her” pronouns for RT.

I hope Sall is holding up ok, and she knows how much support there is for her - despite the general public not even knowing this is occurring.

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 09:27

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 09:09

I take heart that the ABC didn’t use that ‘anti-trans’ crap they have been pulling though. It is a small light in this darkness.

Tickle’s barrister comes off looking like some deranged ideologue in that article with all the falsity about how a man getting his bits chopped off makes him a woman. I am sure that that barrister put on a good act but it really is not convincing at all.

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 09:29

@Helleofabore I am hanging out for Sall’s first discussion that goes into Youtube.

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 09:39

And I have a history of buying on ‘both sides’ of Kmart too. It is rather ridiculous as Bridie points out.

*Although, the elastic in Kmart women’s undies have a habit of disintegrating pretty quickly in the wash.

Waitwhat23 · 11/04/2024 09:56

Love this (shared by Dennis NK)

It has similar vibes to Kathleen Stock's cool as photo

Tickle vs Giggle
Waitwhat23 · 11/04/2024 09:58

'I’ve fought with everything I’ve got. If I have to fight further, I will.

Thank you so much for the support. I will appreciate it for the rest of my life 💗

There isn’t a woman in the world who’d have to take me to court. It takes a man for this case to exist.

#TickleVGiggle'

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1778313321525231896

nauticant · 11/04/2024 09:59

Waitwhat23 · 11/04/2024 09:56

Love this (shared by Dennis NK)

It has similar vibes to Kathleen Stock's cool as photo

Here's the origin of that kind of image:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_%22Hope%22_poster

I was going to buy one of the originals for about $50 but forgot. I wince whenever I see what they're valued at now.

Barack Obama "Hope" poster - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_%22Hope%22_poster

Justme56 · 11/04/2024 10:11

My eye sight isn’t brilliant but when I initially looked at the photo of Tickle in the news report I thought they were supporting 70’s sideburns!

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 10:19

I have just remembered. My certificate says I can service a two stroke, sharpen a chainsaw, set up an irrigation system, weld, drive large machinery, mix toxic chemicals legally and I can’t remember what else.

This meant I shopped on the wrong side of Target regularly.

Last I looked, I’m a woman. But, looking at my certificate, who could tell?

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 10:39

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 10:19

I have just remembered. My certificate says I can service a two stroke, sharpen a chainsaw, set up an irrigation system, weld, drive large machinery, mix toxic chemicals legally and I can’t remember what else.

This meant I shopped on the wrong side of Target regularly.

Last I looked, I’m a woman. But, looking at my certificate, who could tell?

That sounds similar to me. I learned how to build a dam, sharpen chainsaws and knives, build walls with correct footings, service a car. And I do find Target better quality than Kmart, but needs must. Still shop on both sides, even in DJs.

oh and I stopped using (Ms/Miss or Mrs) titles decades ago when I could get away with it. Not non binary and not ever a man.

I think Georgina Costello had no where to go so that is what they used. But in Australia I suspect many women will be reading and rolling their eyes and saying fuck off with that.

SinnerBoy · 11/04/2024 11:02

Wearingmybluejumper · Today 00:57

Discussed on the Project (a popular “liberal” program here in Australia) a couple of days ago. The compere Waleed Ali was all very “beee kiiind” but I thought the journalist interviewed provided a reasonably balanced perspective.

I wonder how the Cass Report will be addressed in Australia? Tutting and comments that it's all terrible and thank God it's not like that here?

Justme56 · 11/04/2024 11:09

This appeared on my timeline re CASS Australia (Ben Hood SA) so there are some raising concerns.

https://x.com/benjaminrhood/status/1778250503987835313?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://x.com/benjaminrhood/status/1778250503987835313?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 11/04/2024 11:21

TheSandgroper · 11/04/2024 09:09

My wife has just said that, if Tickle receives $200,000 in damages for "distress and hurt”, how much does every woman in the world get?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 11:27

I have Sall's voice in my head on repeat.

"Why do you need single sex spaces?"
"Because we want them."

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 12:17

The judge bridled at the idea that the UN Special Rapporteur on VAWG could interpret CEDAW to an Australian court. Extraordinary. Reem Alsalem is a legal expert in this branch of international law.

Rightsraptor · 11/04/2024 12:46

Are we to understand from counsel's speech that Tickle has had facial feminisation surgery?

He must be looking at that photo upthread of Sall and the other women and weeping.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 11/04/2024 12:57

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 12:17

The judge bridled at the idea that the UN Special Rapporteur on VAWG could interpret CEDAW to an Australian court. Extraordinary. Reem Alsalem is a legal expert in this branch of international law.

You say that... but she's only a woman (and not even one of the fancy new sort!) so what could Reem Alsalem really know about international law?

😂

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