Page 6 | Kemi is on the case!

SleekMamma · 2023-04-04T15:39:05+00:00

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32012712-d2ef-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502?shareToken=f8d230bb699c280b7ebafca5e872e305 Go Kemi Go Kemi

Helleofabore · 05/04/2023 10:05

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 09:23

What's her views on gay marriage and abortion ?

Does it matter?

If she personally has reservations about abortion and is not fully on board with a woman’s right to abort until birth, if she isn’t interested at all in changing the law, does it matter?

If she personally thought that the word marriage should be only applied to a heterosexual relationship, but says nothing against the already established same sex marriage laws and has no intention to roll them back, does it matter?

I believe that there are politicians out there hold their own personal beliefs while not seeking to impose those beliefs on others. Are they better or worse because they disagree on some issues and understand that it might be their particular belief but can see the greater good and vote for that.

Plus, those laws are now in place, it would take a significant change in UK public belief to cause those laws to change.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:07

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:02

Do feel free to tell me how the Tories have looked after humanity over the past 13 years and how women have been better off under their watch.

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Do feel free to stop categorising human beings into broad-brush caricatures of Goodies and Baddies and dehumanising the ones you have personally assigned to TeamBaddies.

ResisterRex · 05/04/2023 10:08

Does it matter?

FGS YES!!! You're not Wimmining Right! Trust me on this, I'm already Tainted. But you have time, run, save yourselves!!!

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:08

I'm sure she sees the greater good in voting for all the Tory policies she's voted for.

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:09

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:07

Do feel free to stop categorising human beings into broad-brush caricatures of Goodies and Baddies and dehumanising the ones you have personally assigned to TeamBaddies.

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I'll take that as an inability to answer the question.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:12

Bustarold · 04/04/2023 17:40

Does Kemi stand up for all women including refugees, single mothers, homeless women? The Tories are gaslighting feminists, throwing us red meat while ignoring urgent and pressing issues that affect women every day. They don't care about women or anyone who's not privileged, but let's keep clapping our hands because they "know what a woman is", eh?
They are vile.

'Standing up for women' is just a meaningles mantra if it is not grounded in actually being able to identify what a woman is.

Kier Starmer is also gas-lighting women and throwing them 'red meat' by thinking that if he talks enough about VAWG it will make everything o.k and no-one will notice. How can you seriously tackle VAWG if you throw open their spaces to males?

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:14

EmotionalSupportHyena · 04/04/2023 17:58

Kemi isn’t Rishi Tory posh. She’s not Oxbridge.

Her mum and dad were both in medical fields, she went to a normal school, worked part time in McDonalds, has been a school governor of an inner city primary school and sat on the board of a Housing Association.

Her political influences are Thomas Sowell (the famous African American conservative economist) and Roger Scruton (traditional conservative philosopher who was famously skeptical about unbridled capitalism)

People mischaracterise Kemi as far right but her social conservatism is fairly normal Christian stuff.

You can look up her voting record on the .gov website.

(I’m not fangirling from memory, btw, I just looked at her wiki page)

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Rishi is also not 'posh'. He comes from a similar background to Kemi - doctors and pharmacists. He has married into money.

Owen Jones went to Oxbridge.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:15

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 09:23

What's her views on gay marriage and abortion ?

Dunno if you know this but the exact same law that protects homosexuals from discrimination also protects people with religious beliefs from discrimination!

It’s Kemi’s job to stand up for the rights of followers of religions to hold and express those beliefs, just as it’s Kemi’s job to stand up for the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

She made her own position on same sex marriage very clear:

extract: Asked by POLITICO whether she would condemn the views Forbes had put forward, Badenoch directly declined, and said that while she personally supports gay marriage, she “would not want people to condemn me for having personal views.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-defends-under-fire-snp-hopeful-kemi-badenoch-faith-conservative-party-free-church-scotland/amp/

(referring to same sex marriage as ‘gay marriage’ erases bisexuals in same sex relationships, which is why I always default to ‘same sex’)

UK’s Badenoch defends SNP hopeful Forbes’ right to oppose same-sex marriage

‘It’d be very easy for her to tell lies, just so that she could win that election,’ Badenoch said of Forbes.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-defends-under-fire-snp-hopeful-kemi-badenoch-faith-conservative-party-free-church-scotland/amp/

Beowulfa · 05/04/2023 10:15

Did Humza Yousaf get grilled on his views on abortion and gay marriage? Does he think transmen can become imams?

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:15

RealityFan · 04/04/2023 18:02

Am I allowed to admit I have just the slightest crush on Kemi?

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Most of us have.

Floisme · 05/04/2023 10:15

Foreversearch · 05/04/2023 09:59

@Floisme I’ve always said a clarification like this could be done quickly in parliamentary terms.

Thanks Foreversearch, I've only just got my head round that part. (Fortunately for all concerned I'm not a lawyer.) They're mighty clever, those women at Sex Matters.

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:15

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:12

'Standing up for women' is just a meaningles mantra if it is not grounded in actually being able to identify what a woman is.

Kier Starmer is also gas-lighting women and throwing them 'red meat' by thinking that if he talks enough about VAWG it will make everything o.k and no-one will notice. How can you seriously tackle VAWG if you throw open their spaces to males?

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I don't think that will be much consolation to the millions of women and children who've suffered under Tory policy for the past 13 years and who will continue to suffer if they are reelected.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:19

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:14

Rishi is also not 'posh'. He comes from a similar background to Kemi - doctors and pharmacists. He has married into money.

Owen Jones went to Oxbridge.

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Sunak went to public school (Winchester College, current day fees 45 grand a year) followed by Oxford (PPE! The epitome of posh education).

And yes, Owen Jones has also had a posh, privileged education.

RealityFan · 05/04/2023 10:20

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:15

Most of us have.

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Well, I'm stuck with Liz Truss as my MP.

Beggars can't be choosers.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:22

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:19

Sunak went to public school (Winchester College, current day fees 45 grand a year) followed by Oxford (PPE! The epitome of posh education).

And yes, Owen Jones has also had a posh, privileged education.

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(Clarification: ’Current day fees’ meaning ‘fees in 2023’ not day pupil rates. 45 grand refers to fees for boarders)

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:23

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 09:23

What's her views on gay marriage and abortion ?

She's a Christian. Her personal religious beliefs are protected by law; that doesn't mean she intends to impose them on everyone else.

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:26

I thought Starmer just needed to come off his fence and say TW aren't women then all you life long socialists wouldn't vote for the Conservatives.
He's basically done that but no, now he's not sincere enough unlike Rishi.
Much of the UK population may agree that TW are not women ( like myself fwiw) but as a poster up thread said people can agree and disagree on different things. They can agree with the Tories on this but equally regard them as self serving, incompetent and corrupt. So many people have suffered under this government a single issue like this is minor unless of course you have literally no other worries.

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:27

@NotHavingIt ah like Rees Mogg.

Noicant · 05/04/2023 10:27

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:15

I don't think that will be much consolation to the millions of women and children who've suffered under Tory policy for the past 13 years and who will continue to suffer if they are reelected.

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Once womens rights are given away it would be virtually impossible to claw them back. This is extremely important for generations (and I mean generations) of women to come.

MarkWithaC · 05/04/2023 10:28

StellaAndCrow · 04/04/2023 20:41

I think this is what was confusing me too. A transwoman has the biological sex of male, so his comparator would be a male.

Thank you so much everyone

I think I've just realised what you mean. If we're going by biological sex, a transwoman is defined as male, and so his comparator is another male, who is likely to be paid more (than a woman) so in that way he could claim discrimination if he's being paid less than a man.

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But DO transwomen generally get paid less than men? I'd have thought that was part of the point – women get paid less than men, regardless of whether said men are wearing manly trousers or lady dresses.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:28

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:26

I thought Starmer just needed to come off his fence and say TW aren't women then all you life long socialists wouldn't vote for the Conservatives.
He's basically done that but no, now he's not sincere enough unlike Rishi.
Much of the UK population may agree that TW are not women ( like myself fwiw) but as a poster up thread said people can agree and disagree on different things. They can agree with the Tories on this but equally regard them as self serving, incompetent and corrupt. So many people have suffered under this government a single issue like this is minor unless of course you have literally no other worries.

Until it’s in writing in a Labour GE manifesto, nothing has changed.

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:29

Noicant · 05/04/2023 10:27

Once womens rights are given away it would be virtually impossible to claw them back. This is extremely important for generations (and I mean generations) of women to come.

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I appreciate that's your stance on this. I just don't see it in quite the same way as you do.

Noicant · 05/04/2023 10:33

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:28

Until it’s in writing in a Labour GE manifesto, nothing has changed.

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Precisely, it hasn’t been clarified exactly what that means in terms of policy. The Conservatives and Baroness Falkner have done that. Women aren’t stupid, they know when they are being patronised and fobbed off.

What you are expecting women to do is to just trust that Starmer will possibly maybe vaguely think about some sort of thing at some unspecified point maybe sometime in the future perhaps possibly… maybe. Just saying most women don’t have pensises is not actually doing anything for women at all. It’s not even admitting what a woman is, 99.9% my ass.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:35

MishyJDI · 04/04/2023 20:24

This is so so funny. It’s going to be so funny having all these trans me in women’s toilets so we have no idea who is a trans man and who is a cis guy.

lols the times and Kemi are just playing us all.

ah this is going to be fun.

The obvious solution is third spaces and neutral facilities for anyone that wants them. Do keep up!

Floisme · 05/04/2023 10:35

I've been a lifelong labour voter and I will make up my mind when I see their manifesto. If they do backtrack on self ID then I won't care what their motives are as I don't believe any party is in this for women's benefit.

However I don't think it is women's responsibility to get rid of this government. That's the opposition's job. Labour could clarify where they stand on this issue in a heartbeat if they so wished, and if they want my vote - and others - badly enough then they will have to do so. Absolutely they will. If they choose to gamble with our loyalty and prevaricate and it backfires on them then it will be nobody's fault but their own.