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SleekMamma · 2023-04-04T15:39:05+00:00

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32012712-d2ef-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502?shareToken=f8d230bb699c280b7ebafca5e872e305 Go Kemi Go Kemi

MarshaBradyo · 05/04/2023 10:39

Noicant · 05/04/2023 10:27

Once womens rights are given away it would be virtually impossible to claw them back. This is extremely important for generations (and I mean generations) of women to come.

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Agree with this, well put

QueenHippolyta · 05/04/2023 10:41

If women stand together and hold parties accountable, using their vote as a bludgeon we will be a hugely influential voting block. That's real power! And the power to make things better for women...

AHyenaofMN · 05/04/2023 10:42

Beowulfa · 05/04/2023 10:15

Did Humza Yousaf get grilled on his views on abortion and gay marriage? Does he think transmen can become imams?

Who, Humza who was absent for the vote on gay marriage?

oddly, nobody seemed to really care.

ResisterRex · 05/04/2023 10:47

Beowulfa · 05/04/2023 10:15

Did Humza Yousaf get grilled on his views on abortion and gay marriage? Does he think transmen can become imams?

Worthy of its own thread:

twitter.com/craigmurrayorg/status/1643536915373719553?s=48&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:48

Beowulfa · 05/04/2023 10:15

Did Humza Yousaf get grilled on his views on abortion and gay marriage? Does he think transmen can become imams?

Quite a lot of double standards applied when it comes to Humza. Note his family prayer session in Bute House contained no women.

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:48

Lol. What if said women have different political views ?
I might be GC but I think the tories are corrupt, incompetent and self serving. Seen the NHS or education system recently ?
And holding parties accountable ? Maybe holding the incumbent government accountable ? And like that works in any case . No one resigns, no one admits they are wrong, they siphon billions away from the public purse and nothing is done.
In fact going off this thread most of you don't give a shiny shit what they do apart from randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes.

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:49

@QueenHippolyta directed at you.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:50

Violetparis · 05/04/2023 08:56

I've posted on another thread about this, the Labour MP, Steve Reed was very clear on Times Radio this morning that he supports this move. It will be very interesting to see how Keir Starmer and other Labour MPs respond.

I actually think Stever Reed makes a far more convincing candidate for leader than Starmer. He comes across as solid, as well and astute.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:52

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:48

Lol. What if said women have different political views ?
I might be GC but I think the tories are corrupt, incompetent and self serving. Seen the NHS or education system recently ?
And holding parties accountable ? Maybe holding the incumbent government accountable ? And like that works in any case . No one resigns, no one admits they are wrong, they siphon billions away from the public purse and nothing is done.
In fact going off this thread most of you don't give a shiny shit what they do apart from randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes.

I rather think it might be you who is randomly " parroting dog whistle tropes".

What could you possibly disagree with in what Kemi Badenoch is proposing regarding single sex meaning biological sex?

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 10:54

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:15

I don't think that will be much consolation to the millions of women and children who've suffered under Tory policy for the past 13 years and who will continue to suffer if they are reelected.

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Who is talking about them being re-elected. What most people here are interested in is that something sensible, that has long been the most obvious solution to the conflict, is enacted. Most don't care which party does it, so long as it gets done and that the thistle is finally grasped.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 10:58

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:27

@NotHavingIt ah like Rees Mogg.

More lazy broadbrushing.

Do these two personal positions on religion really sound alike to you?

I’m a left-voting atheist but I actually agree with Rees Mogg (!) re: tolerance.

Lots of anti Christian bigots about who identify as not being bigoted

Floisme · 05/04/2023 10:59

Like I've already said, 'holding the incumbent government accountable' is the opposition's job. if Starmer fucks up because he's too scared of his TRA supporters to give a straight answer to a straight question then that will be on him.

MarshaBradyo · 05/04/2023 10:59

randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes

What’s that then?

That you can’t change sex and women deserve single sex spaces

You disagree then?

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 11:01

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:26

I thought Starmer just needed to come off his fence and say TW aren't women then all you life long socialists wouldn't vote for the Conservatives.
He's basically done that but no, now he's not sincere enough unlike Rishi.
Much of the UK population may agree that TW are not women ( like myself fwiw) but as a poster up thread said people can agree and disagree on different things. They can agree with the Tories on this but equally regard them as self serving, incompetent and corrupt. So many people have suffered under this government a single issue like this is minor unless of course you have literally no other worries.

Many of us actually spoil our ballots; we don't vote Conservative. But that doesn't mean we cannot ever approve of a measures the Tories might take. What is wanted is a party that is prepared to tackle this issue in a way that reolves it. Whoever does that gets a cheer from me.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 05/04/2023 11:01

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:48

Lol. What if said women have different political views ?
I might be GC but I think the tories are corrupt, incompetent and self serving. Seen the NHS or education system recently ?
And holding parties accountable ? Maybe holding the incumbent government accountable ? And like that works in any case . No one resigns, no one admits they are wrong, they siphon billions away from the public purse and nothing is done.
In fact going off this thread most of you don't give a shiny shit what they do apart from randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes.

‘Parroting GC dog whistle tropes’ seems to rather suggest you aren’t remotely GC, regardless of how you identify.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 11:02

resolves it

Helleofabore · 05/04/2023 11:02

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:48

Lol. What if said women have different political views ?
I might be GC but I think the tories are corrupt, incompetent and self serving. Seen the NHS or education system recently ?
And holding parties accountable ? Maybe holding the incumbent government accountable ? And like that works in any case . No one resigns, no one admits they are wrong, they siphon billions away from the public purse and nothing is done.
In fact going off this thread most of you don't give a shiny shit what they do apart from randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes.

If you are 'GC', why do you use words like "parroting dog whistle GC tropes" against people who disagree with you on the issue of political parties? Why do you feel it is appropriate to use the language that so many others use to shame women discussing women's rights on a feminist forum?

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 11:09

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:26

I thought Starmer just needed to come off his fence and say TW aren't women then all you life long socialists wouldn't vote for the Conservatives.
He's basically done that but no, now he's not sincere enough unlike Rishi.
Much of the UK population may agree that TW are not women ( like myself fwiw) but as a poster up thread said people can agree and disagree on different things. They can agree with the Tories on this but equally regard them as self serving, incompetent and corrupt. So many people have suffered under this government a single issue like this is minor unless of course you have literally no other worries.

You are characterising a lot of people according to your own prejudice. Lots of us have other worries and concerns in our lives and many of us live in cities that have still not fully recovered from the 1980's.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 11:10

And can i add that a Labour govrenment did little for my city, either.

NotHavingIt · 05/04/2023 11:12

ilovesooty · 05/04/2023 10:29

I appreciate that's your stance on this. I just don't see it in quite the same way as you do.

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How do you see it, then?

And how easy do you think it will be to repeal Self ID and the further embedding of gender ideoloogy in our society?

Helleofabore · 05/04/2023 11:20

Rubyrubyrubeee · 05/04/2023 10:48

Lol. What if said women have different political views ?
I might be GC but I think the tories are corrupt, incompetent and self serving. Seen the NHS or education system recently ?
And holding parties accountable ? Maybe holding the incumbent government accountable ? And like that works in any case . No one resigns, no one admits they are wrong, they siphon billions away from the public purse and nothing is done.
In fact going off this thread most of you don't give a shiny shit what they do apart from randomly parroting dog whistle GC tropes.

We have a political party in the Westminster government right now who is listening to women and working with women's groups while also listening to other groups to find an equitable solution. A government who is making guidances to keep children safer than what seems to be the position of lobby groups such as stonewall.

Remember Scottish Government who would only meet with their approved list of women's groups and no one to challenge what they wanted to do so they could effectively lie about women's groups involvement.

Are we to not utilise the government that we have in place at the moment because they are "corrupt, incompetent and self serving" in your opinion? What is your recommendation? That we wait for the perfect government and then act?

By the way, I am probably unusual in that I view all political parties have that potential including the Labour party and the Lib Dems. (And gosh.... did Murrell get arrested today?)

And additionally, I have no confidence that the Labour party will simply not change all the clarity that has come and is now in the process of being put into place. You seem to think that Labour is not going to be just another "corrupt, incompetent and self serving". I have not yet seen anything that has convinced me that they will not be, so this all seems to be based on your own prejudiced opinion.

AHyenaofMN · 05/04/2023 11:21

Parroting dog whistles now?

Helleofabore · 05/04/2023 11:25

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Slothtoes · 05/04/2023 11:27

They can agree with the Tories on this but equally regard them as self serving, incompetent and corrupt

That’s exactly how I feel about this. I’m grateful to the Tories for finally after over 10 years realising that there is electoral mileage in this issue which we have always said on here. I’m relieved because it gives leverage for all women to demand the same or better from all the other parties. I have always hated fixed term Parliaments and the five year cycle but because it means four years of governments not listening but I am determined to make the most of this issue over the coming year to get as much promised protection as possible from political parties who want to form the next government.

While this is an excellent move towards protection for women via EqA I don’t see how it can fully work without GRA reform which is not on the table from the Tories but maybe someone legally minded can explain that to me.

Also if the Tories do manage to cling to power in 2024 their working majority in Parliament seems highly likely to be much reduced. Therefore the more they can do for women right now, while they do have a big majority the better.

so, What’s on offer for women before the GE, given their comfortable parliamentary majority which they are unlikely to have again in the near future, is what we have to ask the Tories. My expectation is that instead they will be keeping this as an election issue.

Believeitornot · 05/04/2023 11:33

How will this law be policed exactly?

I am cynical because it’s the Tories and they have openly admitted that they are going for the culture wars. But while I don’t disagree with the Tories on everything, however I’m not convinced that this is going to work.

As a woman I don’t feel safe but that’s because of other reasons - lack of visible policing, street lights being dimmed or even turned off after midnight, don’t get guards on trains etc etc etc. This legislation feels like a distraction and I don’t feel the threat when I use the toilet or enter a 10km race as a woman.