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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

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Noicant · 04/04/2023 16:20

PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 15:25

I’m new enough to MN that I am unfamiliar with the history that led to the set up of the feminism boards as they currently are.
I assumed the feminism:chat category was for posts unrelated to sex & gender. Is that assumption not accurate?

But we can all see the calibre and toxicity of the replies to me in just the first few minutes of my post being up. It’s a lot of negativity for a MN poster to be subjected to for a straightforward, respectful post.
And it is proof of the underlying need for the category I’ve requested.

But feminism is about sex and gender. What do you want women to talk about in feminism chat? This is very confusing for me

If you don’t like feminism generally theres a whole bunch of categories under which you can post under.

Helleofabore · 04/04/2023 16:20

YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/04/2023 15:20

If the atom is split any more it will explode.

😁

JKTrolling · 04/04/2023 16:21

Nice try OP but this isn’t a place for debate. You wouldn’t join the Take That fan club and start a conversation about how East 17 are better. So don’t come hear wanting to discuss non GC ideas.

Bamboux · 04/04/2023 16:21

Noicant · 04/04/2023 16:20

But feminism is about sex and gender. What do you want women to talk about in feminism chat? This is very confusing for me

If you don’t like feminism generally theres a whole bunch of categories under which you can post under.

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@PlanetLuna your OP was neither straightforward, respectful, nor genuine. You are new to the site and you've found you don't like it. When that happens to me I go elsewhere. You are free to do so.

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 16:22

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:05

Wow, it took 28 seconds for somebody to do exactly what I said I feared! well don, you win the GC pile on 1st place.

Welcome the the feminist board where if you dare to have a slightly different opinion to the majority you get belittled and ridiculed into leaving.

You will also notice only a small number of posters will actually want to have a discussion with you.

The rest will call you a troll or a man.
Or have their own discussions about you with other posters.
Or try and say things or do things such as change their username just to get a laugh off other posters and try and make you feel small.

These keyboard warriors will use various tactics to silence you/make you leave the thread.
Whats ironic is that these women are probably as timid as mice in RL.

JKTrolling · 04/04/2023 16:22

Nice try OP but this isn’t a place for debate. You wouldn’t join the Take That fan club and start a conversation about how East 17 are better. So don’t come hear wanting to discuss non GC ideas.

OzempicClicker · 04/04/2023 16:22

No thanks.

Mochudubh · 04/04/2023 16:23

What does trans-inclusive (non-GC if you prefer) mean to you @PlanetLuna? What does it look like in real day to day life?

Perhaps if you could explain we might see where you're coming from.

Happylittlechicken · 04/04/2023 16:24

Oooh we got frothing!!! My bingo card is filling up nicely. Any advance on frothing OP?

JellySaurus · 04/04/2023 16:24

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:10

🙄 You want a board which excludes opinions which you disagree with because you can't find traction on a board that doesn't exclude your opinion?

Indeed.

Bamboux · 04/04/2023 16:24

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 16:22

Welcome the the feminist board where if you dare to have a slightly different opinion to the majority you get belittled and ridiculed into leaving.

You will also notice only a small number of posters will actually want to have a discussion with you.

The rest will call you a troll or a man.
Or have their own discussions about you with other posters.
Or try and say things or do things such as change their username just to get a laugh off other posters and try and make you feel small.

These keyboard warriors will use various tactics to silence you/make you leave the thread.
Whats ironic is that these women are probably as timid as mice in RL.

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Oh hi again @ConstanceOcean ! Please could you post the link to the thread where the woman seeking advice on her trans child got 'ripped to shreds' by all of the posters? I think you must have missed those of us asking.

Incidentally, this:

Whats ironic is that these women are probably as timid as mice in RL.

made me laugh. Not only is it spectacularly far off the mark in relation to me personally (you wouldn't like to argue with me IRL, I promise), but it hardly applies to the GC women that we see out and about, does it?

Would you call Julie Bindel, Germaine Greer, Kellie-Jay Keen, Suzanne Moore, and Maya Forstater 'as timid as mice'? Odd perceptions you have.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 04/04/2023 16:25

PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

Why can't you use the other Feminism group?

You can run amok with all sorts nonsense in there.

Useroneofmany · 04/04/2023 16:25

You can debate here, but don't be surprised if people disagree with you. It's perfectly possible to disagree respectfully OP. The problem tends to be when you can't back up your own arguments with any logic.

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 16:26

I appreciate that you don't like questions, PlanetLuna... but I can't quite see why you would start a discussion here if you've already put your request directly to MN via other means and don't want to engage with other posters. What's the point?

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:26

'frothing'

Nice.

Helleofabore · 04/04/2023 16:28

PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 15:43

Exactly this @ConstanceOcean.

To have any feminism discussion related to gender that is not GC or that’s trans-inclusive is impossible without a lot of hostility and in some cases bullying.

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Rather hypocritical considering the hostility that you have posted over the past few days...

Eyerollcentral · 04/04/2023 16:28

PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 16:04

Inclusive, as in not preoccupied with demonising trans people as part of my feminist worldview. Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.

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Genuinely where have you see trans people ‘demonised’? Stating biological facts is not demonising anyone. Why are you afraid of women expressing themselves? It’s a really weird request.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 04/04/2023 16:28

I think its fine to be able to discuss and debate, but the pile ons are extreme as is the name calling.

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:28

Happylittlechicken · 04/04/2023 16:24

Oooh we got frothing!!! My bingo card is filling up nicely. Any advance on frothing OP?

I think that although it wasn't OPs term, 'hyenas' really has to be included on the Inclusive Bingo Card.

ResisterRex · 04/04/2023 16:29

Dunno about another board but this thread should be preserved in Classics.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 04/04/2023 16:29

However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety.

People like this, you mean?

Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)
Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)
JanesLittleGirl · 04/04/2023 16:29

Sorry OP, it's a No from me. I like this forum. I like that the posters are serious and focused on the thread's purpose but can also be silly. I like that every time you post, you're playing to a tough audience. You need facts and coherence to survive and you will get your arse handed back to you if you fuck up.

Queenofscones · 04/04/2023 16:29

This is a discussion board. You can start a thread, as you have here, and the people who populate this board will tell you what we think. Go to the feminism chat board to discuss non GC things.

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 16:29

made me laugh. Not only is it spectacularly far off the mark in relation to me personally (you wouldn't like to argue with me IRL, I promise), but it hardly applies to the GC women that we see out and about, does it?

@Bamboux

Ooh your hard!

🤣🤣🤣

I’m sorry but that was such a cringey thing to say.

And I’m not sure how to link the thread in question as I don’t know what it was called because I didn’t start it but there have been at least 5 where a poster has been piled upon in similar circumstances when they hadn’t actually supported trans-rights and so it shouldn’t be too hard for you to find one.

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 16:29

Seasonofthewitch83 · 04/04/2023 16:28

I think its fine to be able to discuss and debate, but the pile ons are extreme as is the name calling.

Name calling and dehumanising language like hyenas?

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