Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

Report after report say the majority are White males, under 30.

A Govt minister on Sky News this morning, former justice secretary, Robert Buckland, repeated this several times.. he also focused on victims and perpetuators, NOT race.

This is the way forward or as he said, we risk missing victims and criminals as they don't fit the profile.

Child social services have been under funded for, well, since time began, in the last 13 years, they ve been cut beyond what is sustainable, the general issue of young people in the care of the authorities going missing was highlighted recent when 100s of migrant child vanished, wrong, colour, brushed away.

Sham on Braverman.

A good way to start doing that would be to restart many of the services that have been cut in recent years.

If, for ideologically comfortable reasons, you lump all child sexual exploitation gangs together, then of course you are going to get the result you are after, in a majority white country, that most perpetrators are white.

Isn’t that nice and neat?

Jimi Savile, was part of a dodgy network stretching to every corner of the country- from northern Scotland to Jersey.

This network does not seem to intersect with the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs, so focusing on white men as the ‘majority perpetrators’ of CSE is not going to help police get a handle on those gangs or help their victims.

Exactly, takes around 2 years for some charged with child exploitation to go to trial.. 2 years!!! (its 3 years for rape)

Many people just don't bother reporting either.

And whilst neither Sunak or Braverman weren't in charge during the worst of Austerity, its still on going, austerity hasn't ended and the cuts, in real terms with inflation at 10% are on going.

Only the present Govt can halt this but they wont because ultimately, doesn't affect them.

Without resources, there's no point targeting anyone.

We should focus on all grooming gangs and all victims & fund childrens services properly, so children never get groomed in the first place..... prevention is better than cure, as they say.

so children never get groomed in the first place

Stop the victim-blaming.

We need to identify and target potential groomers and perpetrators of CSE and stop them from victimising children in the first place.

What have people got against these bastards being brought to justice?

In the country as a whole yes. That would be obvious in a predominantly white country. In the cases such as Rotherham however, the majority of the perpetrators were not white. The majority of the victims however were white. And these particular victims have been awaiting justice for a very long time.

Its a good question. Bringing people to justice requires a functioning criminal justice system, which doesn't exist when you cut 25% of the funding for ideological reasons.

I have no idea, but they clearly do have something against it. Utterly shameful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism_and_dualism_in_international_law

People are called "illegals" if they enter or stay illegally.

It really is. I am shocked by their ridiculous whataboutery. I would hazard a guess that they are on the left because my Momentum member family member and their hard of thinking friends come out with the same shameful shit. They never talk about the raped girls, just the racist 'far right dogwhistles' etc. Twats.

@jgw asylum seekers/refugees are a subcategory of illegal migrant. If they prove their case, the convention says that they should not be penalised or prosecuted for illegal entry or presence.

There are other subcategories of illegal migrants that are not asylum seekers/refugees such as international criminals, over-stayers, and people who obtain visas by fraud.

Followed this thread and not seen anyone say anyone should escape prosecution, can you highlight who has even implied this?

What is argued is Braverman and the Conservative Govts culpability in why after 13 years in power, these terrible crimes are being committed and why Braverman kept saying Pakistani men, when the evidence is its predominately white men u30.

We now have the ridiculous assertion its the 'left who want men to escape justice... when its a Tory govt that has created a situation where women wait years for justice and where men escape prosecution in all but around 1% of cases.

I think I follow. Asylum seekers are a subcategory of illegal migrant that are perfectly legally in a country. Why not just call them asylum seekers, rather than lumping them together with people who have broken the law?

I read the suggestion that it was the left who want men to escape justice as meaning that Braverman and the rest of the government were to the left of the poster who said it. Did I misunderstand?

What is argued is Braverman and the Conservative Govts culpability in why after 13 years in power, these terrible crimes are being committed and why Braverman kept saying Pakistani men, when the evidence is its predominately white men u30.

It's been going on for the best part of 40 years.

All political parties are to blame for allowing this to continue.

The Rotherham grooming gangs are not predominantly white men.

Not always left, but generally a trait of a certain kind of left. Full of whataboutery and slogans. I've got momentum family members that speak the same language too. Also twats.

‘Everyone can be a victim and anyone can be a perpetrator,’ Sammy Woodhouse says after meeting with home secretary

But in a series of media interviews, the home secretary singled out “British Pakistani males” and claimed they “hold cultural values totally at odds with British values”.

Rotherham survivor and whistleblower Sammy Woodhouse, whose abuser was of Pakistani descent, raised concern over the statements on Monday.

“One thing I really made clear to her is we need to be helping all victims of exploitation, not just [those abused by] Pakistani gangs.

“We only talk about white girls - what about boys, what about Black girls, what about Pakistani victims? Everyone can be a victim and anyone can be a perpetrator.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/suella-braverman-grooming-gangs-rotherham-victim-b2313407.html

And that's why nothing has ever been done about these particular grooming gangs for so many years.. Because the push back to ignore it has been so big. Thewhataboutery. Over and over and over again. Diluting this particular issue and blocking justice by doing that.

Are you suggesting that Braverman is left wing?
She certainly seems to be full of slogans and whataboutery, but doesn't like to talk about the achievements of the governments of which she has been a part. I wonder why that is?

No. I'm suggesting you are. Hth.

Without even knowing you, I know with certainty, what other slogans are also you. It's all part of a type.

I don't know how to link, but there's a thread by Charlie Peters on Twitter quoting from the Home Office Report which says that, while the data is poor, men of Pakistani origin appear to be overrepresented in grooming gangs. Obviously, more robust data gathering is needed. I think the lack of race disaggregated data reflects a fear of what it will reveal, although I will happily be proved wrong. We need to stop prioritising Labour voters' finer feelings (and I speak as a former Labour voter) over vulnerable girls.

Definetly all Labour's fault.
Why didn't Keir introduce this years ago?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/04/child-abuse-keir-starmer-prosecute-professionals