Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

I just looked. That is a good breakdown.

https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/1642900173843050498?t=6PVSY6cRF1qz_Fn3EDtLQQ&s=08

Exactly, it is the systemic nature. No-one is saying don't go after the white men or theeh white gangs, nor that white men don't do this, nor that they are the majority - they're bound to be the minority. But rather than that as a group there is a cultural problem with attitudes to women - not all men of that heritage obviously, but many, and enough to be a significant problem in some parts of the country.

I do not understand how if, for example, you are concenred at the attitdues of conservative men in Iran or Afghanistan you cannot get it that there might be an issue with some religiously conservative cultures here.

It is clear that the race of the perpetrators made it easier for them to get away with it with because adults who should have protected those girls did not do so because they are scared of the racism accusation and the very real consequences of that - Sara Rowbotham and Margaret Oliver lost their jobs. No white perpetrator will be passed-over for police attention because people are scared of being called racist - the groups have to be discussed because they are different and becasue they are acting and behaving in groups. Different cultures, different reasons for behaviour, different modes of offending behaviour, different reactions of police and others who should be protecting the girls (who are not all white) because of the skin of the perpetrator.

And this has involved thousands and thousands of girls. And will keep doing so till someone tackles the issue head on.

Every single person accusing Braverman of racism or dog whistle politics is proving those that did not help the girls were right. Anyone who does soemthing, even after everthing we now know, will be attacked - not just intellectually, but by being called morally suspect.

I think you're colluding with the gangs with your 'dog whistles'. I think hiding the issues is misogynistic and I think Braverman is right and brave.

Suella Braverman is a member of a patriarchal Buddhist cult whose founder sexually assaulted boys.

She doesn't give a fuck about victims. We don't need new laws to prosecute rapists and child molesters, we already have them. We need our police and criminal justice system to work properly.

All SB and the rest of her party are doing is putting curtains on a broken window while riling up racists. The Conservatives are disgusting, lazy bastards who don't give a shit about women and girls.

BASTARDS!

They would rather have raped girls than give the Tories kudos for anything. The dog whistle remarsk are designed to have a chillign effect on people speaking. And I am sick of women and girls being back of the queue for things because people are bullied into silence, and yes, largely by the left at the moment.

If anyone believes the police didn't pursue the Rochdale and Rotherham gangs because they were afraid of being "seen as racist", send me a PM because I have a great offer on Magic Beans.

The police have never been afraid of being seen as racist. The Asian gangs got away with it because they paid the police off and WC women and girls don't matter.

It's happened for centuries.

They would rather have raped girls than give the Tories kudos for anything.

No. I would rather have a justice system that worked for victims of rape and sexual abuse. Your statement is fucking disgusting.

No. I would rather have a justice system that worked for victims of rape and sexual abuse. Your statement is fucking disgusting.

The whataboutery and sweeping under the carpet shows that certain people care less about those girls and more about pointing the finger in other directions. That is a disgusting fact. The statement pointing out this fact however is not disgusting.

Are you refering to the Home Secretary's whataboutery?

@Jonei do you think the police would have done something sooner if the gangs that groomed, raped and battered them had been white?

Rape and sexual abuse is absolutely rife. Not just of children. Not just of vulnerable women. But all women.

Grooming rings in churches, schools, sports, childrens homes etc all have been found

It's racist to make out that it's a problem of particular communities. If the conservatives were serious about tackling child abuse there are many other things they could do that would have more impact than cracking down on Pakistani men.

Dealing with pornography. Investing in social services. Reducing poverty in these communities. Dealing with rape myths and believing victims. Those things would benefit all victims. But no. Let's make out that this is a problem related to a particular ethnicity, rather than a man problem.

I think it's more likely.

It's racist to make out that it's a problem of particular communities. If the conservatives were serious about tackling child abuse there are many other things they could do that would have more impact than cracking down on Pakistani men.

The real racism is of course towards the (majority) underage white girls in this scenario, where the authorities have turned their back on them because of who the perpetrators are in this case.

What are you basing that on? Because it's not statistics, logic or reality

I think it is probably the same logic that means that a subset of illegal migrants are legal asylum seekers.

The authorities routinely turn their back on abused females. That's no big surprise to me.

Are we being effective in dealing with "honour killings", forced marriages and FGM? Or the trafficking of white eastern Europeans to work as modern slaves in brothels?

This is just populist political point scoring by the Conservatives. Its cynical and disgusting. Don't fall for it.

Don't fall for what?

Getting justice for those girls?

Don't you think they deserve justice?

I think they deserve justice no more or less than any other abuse victims.

Abuse victims are routinely failed and its got worse over 13 years of Conservative government.

Don't fall for the rhetoric that can be fixed by cracking down on brown men. It is appealing to the human innate "them and us" subconscious. Its not real. The conservatives are manipulating you. Like Brexit.

We already know that the Prime Minister and Home Secretary don't think that the victims of trafikking into modern slavery deserve protection from the Criminal Justice system, they announced that publically a few weeks ago.

I'm sick of people putting loyalty to the Tory party and patriarchy before women and girls.

Of course these girls should have received justice. But like most of our public services the police and criminal justice system have been butchered by austerity.
Do you agree @Jonei that the tory's obsession with a small state and the subsequent cutting of police officers, social workers, youth workers, probation officers, teachers, even border control officers fgs, has had a direct impact on the the experience of these poor girls ? If things actually worked, chances are this might not have happened or would have been picked up earlier...

I don't agree Lazarusshazarus. Not entirely anyway. There are failings on the cut back / inadequate services yes. But this is not the only reason this case has gone ignored for so long. 40 years. You do a disservice to those workers who did their best to help, but were closed down.

I'm more than happy to praise Nazir Afzal for his work against grooming gangs. And Sarah Champion and many more.

And I still think that Braverman's behaviour may not be sincere, and may be about other agendas some of which will end up being harmful TO WOMEN.

Trying to claim that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% must be on the side of the gangs is just a way to shut people up.

By the way, if you want someone who really is colluding with the gangs, look at Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), who attempted to get gang members off by causing a mistrial. It was perfectly deliberate and he was already on a suspended sentence for the same actions, and sod justice for the women or their further trauma having the trial interfered with.

He thinks he can benefit politically by crashing rape trials of Asian men (as long as it's in a way which will escape most of his audience).

It's rarely spelled out how much racists cause much of the problem.

Not just because of sophisticated undermining of trials like Yaxley-Lennon did, but because of the centuries-long difficulty of carrying out investigations and holding fair trials against a background of prejudice. Racism warps the whole process, and (obviously) is what creates anti-racism. It spawns the claim that "you're only accusing me because I'm X race", which a jury is then faced with evaluating – because for some accusations (not necessarily sexual) this has historically been true.

I've long believed we have to crack on and investigate and prosecute anyway, and just do our best, not letting the racists or fear of anti-racists prevent us. They make it harder work, but it's absolutely got to be done.

I'm sick of people putting loyalty to the Tory party and patriarchy before women and girls.

I'll vote for any party that will solve the issues that women and girls currently face. I don't like the Tories. But I don't like labour either. I'm not going to vote for a party where the leader won't say what a woman is. If KS lies about that basic fact, then he is entirely untrustworthy as far as I'm concerned.

Abuse victims are routinely failed and its got worse over 13 years of Conservative government.

It has got worse.

But the Rotherham grooming gangs have got away with this for over 40 years.

As someone pointed out earlier, government's are volatile at the moment. And it's unlikely to change. But if someone is finally going to deal with this issue, then this at least, makes me happy. Amongst a sea of things in the world that don't.