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Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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IwantToRetire · 03/04/2023 00:30

The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

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jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:00

SquidwardBound · 03/04/2023 11:35

Me?

Absolutely. Possibly more so than in this case. That’s another very complex issue that braverman’s rhetorical approach does not do any favours.

And the Rwanda policy is problematic in various ways.

Sorry I was trying to reply to @NotHavingIt who was expressing displeasure at the vilification of Braverman. I am not sure why the quote didn't work.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:01

Jonei · 03/04/2023 11:58

I really do hope so. It's been a long time coming.

Also, it feels as the the government has been really volatile and this isn’t likely to stop, so I really appreciate Suella Braveman cracking on and doing all she has power to do while she can.

Howpo · 03/04/2023 12:08

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:01

Also, it feels as the the government has been really volatile and this isn’t likely to stop, so I really appreciate Suella Braveman cracking on and doing all she has power to do while she can.

She is actually announcing a "Consultation" on the issues, there is no crack down at all and no extra money.

Plus why is she highlighting Pakistani men when the evidence is that its White British men who are the main people doing this?

She has also said the victims are often Girls in Care, so finally the penny has dropped that cuts to social services and childrens services has an impact...

More to the point, after 13 years in power, i think its pertinent to ask "What the xxxx have they been doing?"

Its just more hot air to coincide with the May council elections.

This time next year, absolutely nothing will have changed.

NotHavingIt · 03/04/2023 12:10

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 11:25

Do you equally condemn Braverman for vilifying those who arrive in the UK seeking asylum?

Can you give examples of how she villifies migrants? Her job is to secure the borders of the U.k and to stop illegal migration.

The way she is vilified is quite sickening ( no matter wat your political stance); ythat so many kind and morally good people engage in it is not differnt to the way that many also engage in the vilification of JK Rowling. they mostly haven't read in full her words, or listened to her speeches, instead they wilfully twist and distort and take words out of context.

LadyKenya · 03/04/2023 12:11

Well said@Howpo .

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:16

The racially and religiously aggravated crimes are not separated from the other crimes in that guardian report. It is the racially and religiously aggravated crimes which the police don’t want to deal with Hepwo.

ResisterRex · 03/04/2023 12:16

Always instructive to see what threads jgw pops up on. I hope this one is not derailed.

Jonei · 03/04/2023 12:17

Also, it feels as the the government has been really volatile and this isn’t likely to stop, so I really appreciate Suella Braveman cracking on and doing all she has power to do while she can.

Yes I agree with that. Whatever happens at the next elections, if they can just get some of these many wrongs dealt with, then it would be something.

Jonei · 03/04/2023 12:27

they mostly haven't read in full her words, or listened to her speeches, instead they wilfully twist and distort and take words out of context.

This.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:33

The simple act of calling perfectly legal asylum seekers illegal is vilifying them.

Braverman does it all the time, you have done it in your post.

The othering of desperate people is absolutely abhorrent. Braverman and the current government has then taken steps recently to prevent those who are being traffiked including into the sex trade as slaves from being able to access the system designed to prevent modern slavery.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:35

ResisterRex · 03/04/2023 12:16

Always instructive to see what threads jgw pops up on. I hope this one is not derailed.

I quite agree, it is terrible when people post facts, such as there is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:37

She has also said the victims are often Girls in Care, so finally the penny has dropped that cuts to social services and childrens services has an impact...

If one takes a moment to consider all the many and varied services that have been cut or axed over the past 13 years it really is quite shocking. It may not be immediately obvious how a sure start centre, a local library or funding for a youth basketball club increases the chances of CSE, but cummulatively all the cuts do have an effect.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:39

The grooming gangs (racially and religiously aggravated) have been going on for 40+ years. Tory cuts aren’t to blame.

NotHavingIt · 03/04/2023 12:40

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:33

The simple act of calling perfectly legal asylum seekers illegal is vilifying them.

Braverman does it all the time, you have done it in your post.

The othering of desperate people is absolutely abhorrent. Braverman and the current government has then taken steps recently to prevent those who are being traffiked including into the sex trade as slaves from being able to access the system designed to prevent modern slavery.

They are not perfectly legal, though; and most of them are not asylum seekers but economic migrants; the largest number are men from Albania which is a European country.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:42

NotHavingIt · 03/04/2023 12:40

They are not perfectly legal, though; and most of them are not asylum seekers but economic migrants; the largest number are men from Albania which is a European country.

I think it is a play on words. I would agree that there is no such thing as an ‘illegal asylum-seeker’, but I would say that there are people who are illegally claiming for asylum when they are not in need of it - ie- they are lying.

NotHavingIt · 03/04/2023 12:43

Furthermore Albanian migrants are now responsibile for the control of the drugs trade in most major cities in the U.K; as well as for trafficking women for prostitution.

Jonei · 03/04/2023 12:43

I think it is a play on words. I would agree that there is no such thing as an ‘illegal asylum-seeker’, but I would say that there are people who are illegally claiming for asylum when they are not in need of it - ie- they are lying.

Yep.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:45

NotHavingIt · 03/04/2023 12:40

They are not perfectly legal, though; and most of them are not asylum seekers but economic migrants; the largest number are men from Albania which is a European country.

Everyone has an absolute right under the 1951 Convention to claim asylum in any safe country they choose, arriving in that country with or without documentation by any route.
That is perfectly legal.
Calling people who are doing something that is completely legal, illegal is vilifying them.

Whether or not an asylum seeker is granted asylum or not is a different matter, although the majority of asylum seekers are granted asylum or other rights to remain in the UK.

Johlla · 03/04/2023 12:47

GrammarTeacher · 03/04/2023 07:48

The report she refers too explicitly states that the majority of grooming gangs are white British.
This is nothing more than dog whistle politics to try and get racists to vote for her still.

In a country like England which is majority white you’d expect the vast majority of crimes to be committed by white people.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:47

Everyone has an absolute right under the 1951 Convention to claim asylum in any safe country they choose, arriving in that country with or without documentation by any route.

Great! I am going to go and claim asylum in America then.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:47

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:42

I think it is a play on words. I would agree that there is no such thing as an ‘illegal asylum-seeker’, but I would say that there are people who are illegally claiming for asylum when they are not in need of it - ie- they are lying.

So you would agree that those calling asylum seekers illegal are wrong, that they should stop doing it, especially if they are in a position of responsibility such as being Home Secretary.
That those in high positions keep doing it, does rather lead one to believe that they are doing so knowingly because they think there is electoral benefit from othering desperate people.

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:48

Johlla · 03/04/2023 12:47

In a country like England which is majority white you’d expect the vast majority of crimes to be committed by white people.

The report also conflates things like operation Yewtree with it.

Jonei · 03/04/2023 12:48

And that country has the right to ascertain whether they are telling the truth about their status, and remove them from the country if they are not.

jgw1 · 03/04/2023 12:48

EndlessTea · 03/04/2023 12:47

Everyone has an absolute right under the 1951 Convention to claim asylum in any safe country they choose, arriving in that country with or without documentation by any route.

Great! I am going to go and claim asylum in America then.

By all means, it is your absolute right to put in such a claim.
Whether or not it will be granted will depend on the strength of the claim.
Sadly the government has woefullly underfunded in the UK the system for dealing with such claims so they drag on for years.

Michaelmonstera · 03/04/2023 12:49

LunaNorth · 03/04/2023 06:00

Sorry, Suella Braverman is a Buddhist?

Actually practising?

If so, she needs to practise a bit harder. Bloody hell.

@LunaNorth my thoughts exactly

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