Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

I'm no expert on this stuff, I could be wrong, but apparently the UK approach to international law, is that at the domestic level, international law doesn't supercede domestic law unless Parliament passes legislation to give it effect.

So unless Parliament has explicitly said that they haven't broken the entry laws, they are going to be "illegals".

Would I be right in saying that you think that UK law does or should break an international law that the UK was a founding signature of?

When a country signs up to an international law, that law becomes part of their domestic law, it is the law of the land. The UK has specifically signed up to the 1951 Convention which makes it legal for an asylum seeker to enter any safe country in any manner.

You may well be correct if you said that the current Tory government like to create arguments about international laws and with international bodies to give the impression that someone other is being terribly mean and nasty to the UK in order to distract from the multitude of problems that 13 years of Tory misrule have caused.

OP maybe you should get the thread title changed since it's now been fully derailed.

Perhaps, and it's a radical idea I know, the derailer should go and start their own thread about immigration, rather than actively destroying someone else's thread about grooming gangs.

Yes I do. Next question?

It's misogyny. And the added vitriol is because she is a woman of colour who dares not to be left wing. It's not allowed you see.

This.

Children services were awash with money in the late 1990s and naughties.

The state is a bad parent and thinks it knows better than parents, hence the state (Teachers) are without court orders removing parental responsibility from families over trans issues. They are crying that they have no money and are secular yet have plenty to spend on a Quazi religion from their priest caste from the drag queen sex relationship education expert along with mixed sex changing rooms/toilets.

It's not a money issue.

Lovely. 🙄

Based on what you said - that they failed to get the numbers down. Your opening paragraph. You said that represented a fail.

And I'm saying that this appears to be completely wrong, because the UK takes a "dualist" approach to international law. It doesn't automatically become part of domestic law, but needs specific legislation from Parliament.

I'm not an expert on UK constitutional law however, are you?

Groomers, groups and gangs are overwhelmingly white.

I don't know a huge amount about this but from various bits of safeguarding training, far more are on the internet.

Not to diminish the issue at all - the Asian grooming gangs were specifically an issue as no one would do anything about it because of a number of stereotypes for both the perpetrators and victims.

The majority of pedophiles convicted in the U.K. are white.

You know that this thread is about grooming gangs right? Maybe open a new thread.

So many cliches and worn out tropes.

I'm actually an ex Labour party member - and there are many traditional Labour voters who have concerns on the issue of illegal migration. The Labour party will also need to deal with the issue.

“land. The UK has specifically signed up to the 1951 Convention which makes it legal for an asylum seeker to enter any safe country in any manner.”

This is where paraphrasing goes horribly wrong as the convention doesn’t say that at all. In fact what is does say is as follows:

Article 31
Refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
“1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.”

The point is that the brown/black paedophiles/groomers are not being convicted because no one wants to be called a racist.

I'm not shocked about anything other than your persistence in over-looking the fact that largest group of migrants arrivig on small boats are Albanians. Albania is a european country.Albanian gangs also happen to control the cocaine trade in most British cities now, and they are ruthless and exploitative.

https://irpimedia.irpi.eu/en-albanian-mafia-uk-cocaine-supply/

I give up as this thread has been derailed. Thank you for starting it OP as it is a hugely important subject. I hope that these girls eventually get justice.

Obviously the majority groomers etc are white. In a predominantly white country. It doesn't mean that this issue, which has gone on for years and years, on a mass scale, by perpetrators who are not white, and over represented, cannot be discussed. To keep derailing / whataboutery is incredibly offensive to those girls impacted by this, and I can't help thinking it's following the same pattern which has always failed to get the justice those girls deserve.

The point is that the brown/black paedophiles/groomers are not being convicted because no one wants to be called a racist.

Yes that's my point.

Interesting, thank you.

I's be very interested to hear Maggie Olivers views on this

Apologies that due to daily life intruding on my time on FWR I haven't read all posts since my OP last night.

And thought there would be a response but not so many.

In the meantime here is the actual Government announcement of the new task force and makes it look like Suella was just having her own little rant.

Would have preferred that she said all types of grooming gangs will be targetted and we will help / ensure that local councils and police do not feel unable to progress investigations because of cultural reasons. blah. blah.

The announcement if very different to the DM article. And I dont know which is worse, that SB actually thinks like that or is eager to go for click bait headlines and reactionary votes that she doesn't mind saying really stupid and unhelpful things.

Please read if only to see how misleading a politician and the media who want screamning headlines can be.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-to-clamp-down-on-grooming-gangs

Not in response to any particular post but in the inner city area where I live, which has a very large BME population, the worst gang of groomers where white working class men who "obrained" young boys because many of them worked for the local council's care homes. And part of the problem was that the Council didn't want to act against them. The Council was Labour.