Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

I think classism played a part. Working class girls, sometimes in care or from very poor home backgrounds, making complaints were seen as out to cause trouble. Their concerned parents, my DH said (who knows he thought this too) were considered to be racists.

Quite different from each other clearly, which is why it is important the Home Secretary concentrates on Rotherham.

My point is that the two places are quite different. Rotherham is up north.

Bingo.

I’m not really sure what your ‘bingo’ refers to.

Was it the use of ‘indigenous’ instead of ‘British’?

And of course ‘British’ would be also considered a ‘dog whistle’ as would English, as would local, as would any other turn of phrase which acknowledges a clash of values.

In this rom com, currently out, the question is asked “what is London like?” and here I have screenshotted the mother’s response.

The fact that this ‘funny, heartwarming’ joke would be understood, shows that the racial/religious judgements about western women are not fringe.

So is Bolton. Both are working class towns; one a former mill towm, the other a former coalmine and steel town. Both have broadly the same ethnic make-up in terms of percentage white/asian/black

Quite.

I'm stil not sure of your point?

Got to admit I am confused. Have I missed a blinder of a ‘gotcha’ somewhere?

Wtf? Of course they're different places. And they're both up north as well. Do you think Bolton is in the south or something?

No, not fringe at all. Mainstream in many communities e.g. white women who are not promiscuous are seen as unusual. Had this said to me, though rather more politely: why are you so different?

The point being made by citing the 13 white men involved in grooming, or rape, it's not clear from the article, is that white men have rape gangs as well so Suella Braverman is wrong to target specifically Pakistani men because that is racist and it is not true that all rape gangs are Pakistani. No-one said it was true, but that the gangs discovered are mainly Asian of Pakistani origin. Citing the white gang is an attempt to say Asian men of Pakistani origin are either not guilty of this and it is a racist slur, or that they are no different from any other men (which I think is not true of either the white men charged or the Asian men charged, most men of any background would not be doing this). That's what I get, anyway.

So a ‘straw man’.

Yes.

I posted this.
It’s local but the guys involved live over a fairly wide distance - not just Bolton but Chorley, Wigan etc irrc.
I don’t know the stats on the ethnicities of grooming gangs.
I don’t know whether most consist of Asian men. I do know that some Muslim men are misogynistic but then again some white british guys are too.
I don’t like it being used as a point scorer to garner votes by a largely discredited government who left certain communities to rot for years. Cuts to social services, youth services, police, the low aspiration culture of some schools, the lack of decent career opportunities in these areas
and maybe a reticence to challenge certain communities (not just Asian but white working class ones too)- all those things enabled grooming gangs to operate without fear and quite a bit of that happened under the tories with austerity and to a lesser extent New Labour.

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Citing the white gang is an attempt to say Asian men of Pakistani origin are either not guilty of this and it is a racist slur, or that they are no different from any other men (which I think is not true of either the white men charged or the Asian men charged, most men of any background would not be doing this). That's what I get, anyway.

Men of all ethnicities are capable of forming grooming gangs and some do. Singling out a particular ethnicity of man therefore is not going to reduce the incidence of this crime and so it follows its a policy based on race not crime reduction.

There's no way to confidently spot undetected sex offenders, yet people can't deal with methods for reducing sex crimes that are relatively untargeted, because NAMALT/not my nigel.

As a feminist I find it hilarious but also sad that race/"cultural attitudes" are an appropriate thing to talk about in relationship to grooming and rape gangs, yet sex is not. Sex is a much bigger predictor of the make up of these gangs than race.

You got the NAMALT in yourself I think is not true of either the white men charged or the Asian men charged, most men of any background would not be doing this but seem happy with Bravermans generalisation of British Pakistani men

It's great that these white men have been prosecuted in Bolton isn't it. Justice for those girls. It will be good to get the same outcomes for the abused girls who have been ignored for years because of who the perpetrators are. Won't it.

Bolton is quite different from Rotherham. Quite different. Rotherham is up north.

Quite different.

Find me some evidence that the girls were ignored specifically because of who the perpetrators are rather than because society tolerates rape, especially if you are an imperfect victim.

You won't be able to because it doesn't exist.

I prefer corn.