Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

I think you will find that is because no one knows what a man is.

She said "gangs of British Pakistani men"
If I wrote on here or said in public what she said, leaving out the word Pakistani, I'd get loads of "Not all men are like that/you are alienating men with your language/women do it too". This is not controversial- we all see it when rape is discussed.

By the simple addition of a race related word, to some people this now A-OK and the NAMALTing is noticeable by its absence

Why is that?

Were none of the Rotherham perpetrators were prosecuted or jailed then? As I seem to remember the combined sentences were over 100 years, and at least two of the Rochdale grooming gang are to be deported when their prison sentence ends as their British citizenship was revoked.

This doesn’t mean I think their sentences are long enough or harsh enough for the crimes committed. It doesn’t mean (see my previous post) that the police acted quickly enough or appropriately. They clearly didn’t. But insinuating that white criminals are jailed while British Pakistani ones run completely free is obviously untrue.

Here, I took the race related language out:
""What's clear is what we've seen is a practice whereby vulnerable girls, sometimes who are in care, sometimes in challenging circumstances, being pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British men who've worked in child abuse rings or networks. We've seen institutions and state agencies, whether it's social workers, teachers, the police turn a blind eye to these signs of abuse out of political correctness, out of fear of being called sexist, out of fear of being called man haters. And as a result, thousands, we are not talking small numbers, we are talking large numbers, thousands of children have had their childhoods robbed and devastated. And there are many of these perpetrators still running wild, behaving in this way. And it's now down to the authorities to track these perpetrators down, without fear or favour, relentlessly and bring them to justice."

Do you know what? I could get behind that speech. I might do an experiment, post it on AIBU and see what people say.

Yep.

There ARE gangs of British Pakistani men who are committing these crimes and there are specific factors that are relevant because of their ethnicity. So they do need to be dealt with specifically.

It's not racist to speak the truth.

Walsall sex ring

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785

Why are the specific factors relating to their ethnicity a higher priority than the misogyny and sexual entitlement that drives most rapists?

Is it because that misogyny is an acceptable British value?

Great. Another example where white perpetrators are being charged for these crimes. 👍

Except literally no one is saying they shouldn’t be dealt with. What’s problematic is focusing on one group at the (implicit) exclusion of others.

Given that some people on this thread are happy that white grooming gangs are being prosecuted and are angry as they believe that British Pakistani gangs are not, surely it would be equally bad for British Pakistani gangs to be prosecuted and white British perpetrators to be ignored?

It’s not calling people fascists to ask for all grooming gangs to be stamped out.

@Jonei How do you feel about two of the perpetrators of the Rochdale grooming gang being stripped of their British citizenship and deported? Do you feel that was an appropriate decision?

Well there is a cultural perception of white girls as being sluts and not mattering. There is the fact that Pakistan is one of the most dangerous countries for women and girls and that culture is imported over here when men immigrate into the UK. There are religious and cultural institutions such as Sharia Law that are also dangerous for women.

Except literally no one is saying they shouldn’t be dealt with. What’s problematic is focusing on one group at the (implicit) exclusion of others.

Although clearly, the white perpetrators aren't excluded are they, judging by the links people are posting up here.

You didn't ask me but I think it's definitely a good thing.

If you can't abide by freedom and equality for women then you shouldn't be allowed to stay here. I'd love to deport every rapist but unfortunately for white Brits there's nowhere to send them back to.

Are you brave enough to say what you mean out loud? Do you think that everyone saying that all grooming gangs should be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted are all British Pakistani men? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

@beastlyslumber That was specifically directed at @Jonei who seemed to be insinuating that British Pakistani grooming gangs weren’t/aren’t prosecuted.

I personally believe that deportation is far too kind in these cases but don’t want to get arrested for my opinions on that 😁

Exactly. No one is saying don't deal with those gangs. They are being dealt with. It's the British Pakistani gangs who have been left, partly because the authorities don't want to be seen as racist. And lefties care more about rapists' feelings than the safety of women and girls (as long as the rapists aren't white.)

I presume they had dual citizenship or this wouldn't have been possible.

Do you think they should be allowed to stay, despite committing horrific crimes?

Because I don't.

Shame there's not a similar option for those Brits born here, but sadly we're stuck with those ones.

There's a widespread perception amongst British society that girls who dress and act a certain way are somehow culpable in their own abuse. We tolerate and even encourage that in our own society, every time we say a rape is "he said she said" based on what the victim was wearing, if she was drunk or on drugs, if she was out in the middle of the night.

Why are some Pakistani mens regressive attitudes to women more repugnant than the regressive attitudes of plenty of British men?

@beastlyslumber Does over 100 years in combined sentences count as having “been left”? Does being stripped of your citizenship count has having “been left”?

Have the police done enough, did they act quickly enough and listen to the victims? Absolutely not. But can we stop claiming that British Pakistani gangs aren’t prosecuted as it’s untrue and just muddies the waters of your argument. You can argue they they’re not prosecuted enough, definitely, whether that’s due to unnecessary PC attitudes, or the police’s view that the girls weren’t victims, or both. There’s no need for hyperbole.

Why are some Pakistani mens regressive attitudes to women more repugnant than the regressive attitudes of plenty of British men?

Those who hold these views towards women are both repugnant. It's you that's insinuating Pakistani men with these views are more repugnant. No one else has. Both equally as bad as eachother.

Wtaf.
The grooming gangs in Rochdale/Telford/Rotherham have been dealt with too, or we wouldn't know about them
You do say some bizarre things
Reminds me of the poster who thinks the prime minister deserved a birthday party but not 7 year olds. Strange application of equity.

More repugnant? I don't know, I don't feel like rating rapists and misogynists on a scale. Sounds grim.

I'm saying there are different factors involved with the Pakistani gangs which mean there needs to be a specific approach to dealing with them. They have been allowed to get away with more because the authorities have not wanted to admit that part of the problem is ingrained hatred of women that is legitimised and supported by their communities.

Thank you for acknowledging that British Pakistani groups are prosecuted.

As you can see from my answer to beastlyslumbers only slightly upthread that no, I don’t believe they should stay. At all. Asking for all grooming gangs to be investigated with equal weight really doesn’t mean that I’m the type to be lenient on criminals of any race, does it?