Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

Read the transcript. Why was is necessary to contrast "white English girls" as victims with "gangs of British Pakistani men"? What was important about it?

Discussing factual events that have occured isn't racism. It's simply...facts.

It seems quite racist of you to go to the lengths you have to dilute the experiences of these girls though.

I am not going to read it now… but I thought it was within a context of wanting to restore British values?

Some people are calling for blasphemy laws to the point a kid’s mum recently. had to grovel to a load of imams in a mosque because her son scuffed a copy of the qu’ran.

Who were the majority of the victims in these particular cases?

Who were the perpetrators?

Why don't you think this is important?

Thinking that women and girls who don’t cover up or follow Islam are slags asking to be raped, is incompatible with British values too.

But what if they are behaving like facists?

They're not trying to do anything for women and girls. They're not going to do anything for women and girls. They're talking shit to bolster their political careers. Nothing more.

They've had 13 years and all they've done in that time is destroy our rights and made us more vulnerable. Deeds, not words and the Tory party's deeds have made things worse for women in Britain.

I saw that. It felt like that mother was literally begging for her child's life. It was very uncomfortable viewing.

I live in a city which has had perhaps the largest percentage budget cuts of all cities, and we have always had a Labour administration - with a few years in between with Lib Dem administration. People resorted to Lib Dem at one point because the Labour party in the city has long been a dysfunctional corrupt and incompetent mess. Currently it is being subject to government over-sight because of its many failings.

People here vote Labour but they don't really see a Labour administration as being of much consequence. The city has been as neglected and let down by Labour as it has by Conservative governments. It is all much of a muchness.

Is denying access to the legal system for people who have been traffiked compatible with British values?

Okay. If you say so. Again. And again. And again.

I prefer to wait and see.

@Jonei - I would bet good money there is no one effective change before the end of the year.

If speaking were the same as acting Suella Braverman would be one of the effective legislators of our time.

Alas, she is big gob.

Interesting topic.

I've got a radical idea for you.

Start a thread about it.

Yes. Suella Braveman stepped in there in no uncertain terms. I think she is trying to grasp the nettle.

There's plenty of big gobs around.

Everywhere...

How long are you willing to wait? 13 years not long enough for you? They're out next year. Her words mean nothing and will do nothing for women and children in the UK.

Yes indeed. But they don't all claim to be resolving grooming gangs or thinking about British values so they can rattle a stick in the tabloids.

I rather prefer the woman who exposed this horror. Make her Home Sec.

The topic of this thread wasn’t, do you think they’ll achieve anything? Or, do you trust them since they’ve done nothing in 13 years? The thread is about her article and why she singled out a specific race and religion. Those saying it’s racist are ridiculous and offensive to those of us discussing this who are not white, and have fought against racism all our lives. The reason she mentioned white working class girls and Pakistani Muslim men was because those are the facts in those specific places she was referencing. Of course her bullet points related to them, the opening paragraph specifies those cases.

It's not racist to point out that, Pakistani grooming gangs groom.

That was about all Braverman said.

Also, her British values don't include mine so perhaps she might explain what those are.

I'd have been rightly impressed if she had announced more resources into prosecuting, in some cases deporting these offenses, and changing the law so that the perpetrator had to pay compensation immediately as well as a minimum sentence for these offences.

I am really bored of the back and forth of this thread. I would be interested in discussing the in/effectiveness of her proposals and what would be preferred solutions to the grooming gangs.

Panning out to say that it all needs to be tackled all at once, with no specialised responses, is just boring, lazy and not adding anything.

If it is the case that it is a populist announcement, which SB believes would be a good political move, this must mean that tackling these grooming gangs must be a concern for ordinary people, right? The voters, the electorate. Which is interesting in itself.

How long am I willing to wait? We've been waiting 40 years. Through both labour and Tory governments. The sooner the better. Someone has to start somewhere. Hopefully this is now the start. It seems a bit silly to me to say nothings going to happen even though the task force only started yesterday, and immediately dismiss it as no good. How about wait and see. It's not as if your beloved labour is coming into power in the immediate future is it. Not that I think they'd do fuck all, but it doesn't matter right now anyway, it's not them in power. Is it.

We've been waiting for 13 years for the Tories to do something positive, how much longer do we have to wait.

We have already on this thread conclulded that in that time the Tories have done little to prevent grooming and CSE

Race was important because (1) it was argued that the cases had been overlooked partly because of the racial component, (2) there may be a subculture tied to race that has a low view of the white girls in question. (Also potentially other non-Muslim girls regardless of skin colour.)

Gosh, but when someone is actually finally trying to do something, it's still not enough for you. The problems of the last 40 years and the sheer scale of the problem means it wasn't possible to resolve it all in the last 24 hours. Unfortunately 🙄🤨

I think if you actually listened to what people on the street and in the hairdressers actually think, you'd most likley be disappointed. And that includes in cities with Labour administrations. They tend to take a far harder line than I suggest you'd approve of.