Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

Yes a "Consultation" with no new resource will solve everything - not.

We all wish Braverman all the very best but if she cannot acknowledge simple facts, then i don't hold out much hope and we'll be talking again about this in 12 or 18 months time, when we have the next scandal.

a consultation on targeting brown sexual abusers would have a minimal impact in reducing CSA

Where is that? I thought they were consulting on a duty to report child sexual abuse?

Well they don't really want to discuss it unless it serves the purpose of derailing this one.

Interesting to see how these posters operate though. I wonder if they actually ever step back and see how how transparent they are. No wonder it was so hard to get anything done when up against this mentality from people. The only way forward is to ignore it and do what's right. And I hope SB manages to achieve that.

I agree.

This seems to be the argument on here... Focus on Pakistani men or Everyone and resource the issues, wherever it takes us, so Schools, Social Care/Work, Fostering, Sure Start, Police and Justice.

No. It's saying focus some of the attention and resources on that. Other work still goes ahead. As it always has. It is possible to do more than one thing at a time you know. Whilst ensuring that a section of the community who has largely been ignored, are not being ignored any longer.

I think it means - stop burying our heads in the sands and avoiding it because of a sacred caste of men who deserve impunity.

’Stop avoiding’ is not the same as ‘focus exclusively upon’.

S. Woodhouse is saying target all abuse, wherever it occurs by whom and to whom.
Plus provide the resources.

Nobody here would disagree with that. In the actual government announcement, the focus is on all child abuse. The OP was about this one article by Suella, and that in that article she shouldn’t have focused on just one issue, the grooming gangs in those specific areas. What most of the other posters are saying is, yes it’s across society and in a white dominated country it’s going to be mostly white men as perpetrator, BUT this specific issue Suella wrote about can also be discussed in isolation sometimes as it has its own unique reasons for being ignored for decades. The OP is about this article. Many posters are simply saying, any time someone wants to focus on this specific problem, they’re told not to and to make it a generalised conversation without naming the culture or religion of certain areas that had committed these crimes on a mass scale. We think it matters who and why, and each situation should look at those factors.

Yup.

Whaeanui. Yes.

It's what Braverman said in the sky interview and what the thread topic was about

This opinion is fascist:

stop burying our heads in the sands and avoiding it because of a sacred caste of men who deserve impunity.

The system in this country allows all men to rape with impunity at the moment.
There is no "sacred caste". You are falling into a populist trap.

^Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”^

https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

Report me if you like but I don't want to live in a fascist country thanks

Bollocks.

Trans identifying men are a sacred caste as are Muslim men. Their status is fiercely defended by the tedious, authoritarian left.

All the grooming gangs so far investigated have been composed of mainly Pakistani men. I have experience not of the Pakistani community but of the Hindu one (middle class, well-educated and liberal). I have never forgotten being told I was 'not like other English women'. My then DH explained that this meant I did not conform to the stereotype of promiscuous English women, a prejudice generally held because of the greater freedom we were perceived to have, over dress, occupation, going out, friends etc. There are different attitudes to women in the Pakistani community, many of which we would find offensive; and quite different perceptions of white girls who may dress differently and behave more freely than girls from the Pakistani community. They are seen as 'fair game' I'm afraid. Of course, there are white paedophiles, and of course, there are more, because of the demographics, but so far the grooming gangs have all been from a particular demographic. If only Suella Braverman is allowed to point this out (because of her ethnic background) we are in a parlous place and the problem that allowed this grooming to go on for many years (current DH, an ex-Youth worker, says since the 70s) is still with us - a fear of being called racist. It does not matter who the groomers are, except that it did in Rochdale, Rotherham etc., and so local authorities, social workers and the police blamed the girls involved and left the men alone based on two stereotypes: the girls were out of control and the men were untouchable because of fears of being called racist. Sometimes it is that simple.

In fact both of these groups get a special ‘phobia’ to attach to any of their critics.

I definitely don't think there's a consultation on "targeting brown sexual abusers". But please show me a link to it. Can't see it on gov.uk

The HO and Govt have directly contradicted Bravermans Daily Mail article.

Rightly so.

The Gov.uk page makes zero reference to Pakistani grooming gangs, wonder why.

Can you expand a bit on the direct contradiction please?

We're all fascists now. Or alternatively in this context, a meaningless insult for anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

Very Rik from the young ones.

Have we hit Mumsnet bingo yet?

Umberto Eco researched fascist governments and analysed common factors - the link is to a summary of his work

I can't help it if people say things that fit with his analysis of fascist characteristics. I find it thought provoking that intelligent people are taken in by fascist positions without realising.

SB says don't ignore such and such cases, and that's "fascist" apparently... what a cliche of lefty thinking.

The government said they'd consult on whether to make professionals report suspected child sexual abuse. That was what they said, not on "targeting brown sexual abusers".

Watch the video
Braverman directly calls out British Pakistani men. I assume the contradiction is 1) we have laws about inciting racial hatred 2) the evidence for what she said isn't there yet. So the home office wouldn't use the same language.

I can’t really be bothered to argue against someone, with such rigid beliefs they deploy a smorgasbord of fallacies to defend their position, who calls me a fascist.

I have, Gov.UK/HO say ALL offenders/victims and Braverman said "vast majority are Pakistani men"

Surely you know this after 24 pages, though it is hard to keep up i guess.

For the hard of thinking.

’Not mentioning’ is not the same as ‘directly contradicting’.

Well what I've concluded from this thread, is that SB needs to be brave and continue on regardless of the lefty purity spiral whataboutery Rik's that walk amongst us.