Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

@ColdMeg You are of course right in the descriptor but why was it ever used in the first place?

Girls are being abused by gangs, this needs to stop and the criminals jailed, there should also be a focus on prevention, whcih there seems to be none, from either party.

The vast majority of grooming gangs are white british, now Pakistani men are over represented in terms of demographics but in pure numbers it's white british males and we need Govt action on all men doing this.

TBH, i fail to see why this is even a debate.

It’s not being overlooked or ignored though. You’re just engaging in whataboutery.

Yep

Perhaps it’s time for you to read the reports on the dozens of gangs recently brought to justice and see for yourself the time scales that were involved and the failures both admitted to by the authorities and uncovered during investigations.

I find it interesting people are so up in arms about this when other sexual abuse is overlooked and ignored.

Are you saying women here overlook and ignore it? Threads have a focus. We can be concerned about quite a few things at once. We aren’t going to talk about all of our concerns on one thread. Your minimisation of this issue though, is revealing.

But the Govt is acting on all men and women doing CSE. Read the fucking press release!

Suella Braveman and indeed Sunak have promised to deal with the ‘kid gloves’ treatment certain groups get, which infringes on the rights of others eg- free speech, single sex spaces, equal access to justice and so on.

In order to do this, you have to broach the modern taboos, fostered largely by the authoritarian left.

I don’t like the phrase, but they have promised to tackle ‘woke’ culture.

Taking off the kid gloves when dealing with people of a certain religion is part of it.

Everyone who is going on about dogwhistles loves to make this about brown versus white, but this is not true, it is really about the misogyny inherent in the beliefs of a particular religion from a particular region.

there should also be a focus on prevention, whcih there seems to be none, from either party.

how the fuck can you come up with effective prevention policies if you don’t know who is doing it and why.

It’s like saying we shouldn’t focus on the identify of any rapist, just ways to prevent rape. No need to say only men rape. That’s not necessary and too man-hatey.

how the fuck can you come up with effective prevention policies if you don’t know whois doing it andwhy.

Exactly this.

Do you know what "whataboutery" is? It's about derailing onto a totally different issue and reversing victim and offender.

"Whataboutery" would be me asking about why we aren't talking about the fact Pakistani men die younger (I just made that up to illustrate).

Talking about the topic at hand and presenting a different point of view is just a debate.

Surely you can't doubt that abuse in various churches, schools and so on has been going on for a much shorter period of time than it has in Rotherham?

Yep. And to do that you need to collect sex and ethnicity of all victims and perpetrators. Something which has not been consistently done yet.

I suspect the reason is that nobody is really down-playing or denying there is an issue with VAWG in general, or with girls being groomed on -line, or with poor rape convictions, or that there is an issue with misogynist police officers, but they are trying to down-play the fact that groming gangs consisting disproportionately of Pakistani and Kurdisn men are operating in certain parts of the country.

On Channel 4 news last night the MP for Keighley in West Yorkshire said he thought the situation that is currently going on in Bradford is even worse than what went on in Rotherham - but that nobody wants to talk about it.

You weren’t presenting a different opinion on CSE though…you were going off into CSA by the Catholic Church, sports coaches and whatnot. That is an entirely different topic from CSE gangs.

No British institutions could be systematically abusive. What was I thinking.

Well we do need to talk about it do determine what’s going on.

Some might prefer not to but it’s not going to help.

It would be helpful if you could clarify what you think was the smear.

I suspect the reason is that nobody is really down-playing or denying there is an issue with VAWG in general, or with girls being groomed on -line, or with poor rape convictions, or that there is an issue with misogynist police officers

We literally just had an enquiry that said misogyny in the Met had been downplayed for years
Andthen the current commander continued with the "bad apple" analogy

and the conservatives are very enthusiastically downplaying rape convictions. Dominic Raab had to apologise for making an incorrect statement that convictions were higher now than in 2010 just the other day.

Which brings us back to why Braverman felt she needed to say something different just before the selection meeting on Wednesday...

What is the difference between a "CSE" gang and a "CSA" ring?
Men who systematically use their power to abuse vulnerable victims all seem the same to me.

If you have a group of Catholic piests, for example, facilitating abuse of children abd covering up for each other, how is thar different to a CSE gang in your mind?

But she didn’t. She is being quoted out of context.

I'm so confused

I think you are over complicating the meaning of whataboutery - it doesn’t require the reversal of victim and offender, it’s just a deflection tactic to stop the person from pursuing their line of inquiry or argument, and to change the focus from one thing to something else.

It doesn’t have to be ‘what about men’?

It can also be ‘what about climate change’?
What about child brides?
What about the disproportionate number of black women dying in childbirth?

Its much more effective as a technique if you reference things that the person you are arguing with does also care about.

One thing they have done is block the proposals for Gender Self Id, and they have commisisioned the Cass Review which has led to significant changes in the way that children with dysphoria are going to be assessed going forward.

I don't care about Bravermans selection meeting. I just care about something being done about this problem. I don't care about their reasons why they are doing it. As long as it's dealt with.

But now everyone is talkimg about it.