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Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights

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chevvyroo · 01/04/2023 18:42

In The Times

Seems like he's done a strategic U turn. I bet at least he's glad he can stop dodging the "what is a woman?" question.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6841074a-d0a9-11ed-85a8-caaa67d15364?shareToken=2360ce9b239c4fae805bc8364adaea73

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viques · 02/04/2023 12:02

“A year before a general election”

but only a month before local elections.

Needmoresleep · 02/04/2023 12:12

Really good luck to you. I'll check my independent candidates ahead of GE.

I had to give it a lot of thought as nothing much appealed. I started with Green because I care about the environment, but literally got kicked out when I confessed I was GC. (Some man had phoned me to ask if I would be a candidature them, but instead told me he would take me off the membership list!) Not Labour obvs. One thing I learnt with the Greens is that I don't have the patience for endless "democracy". Not LibDems either.

The Conservatives have some good women's groups and "the Baroness" who I have met. In London in particular there seems to be a bit of a revival with some good women coming forward, a good proportion of whom are from ethnic minorities.

I am not standing in London. Long story, but I spent a decade of commuting to care for my mother whilst my kids were in school in London. They have left home and and DH is working from home 50% of the time, and was 100% for the two lockdown years, so I am standing there.

Its fascinating. The local party is small, and, well, a boys club. (Probably true of all parties - just different boys.) It is interesting how, whatever party, such a small number of people select their MP and then effectively their party leader. If women are not involved, and most are simply too busy to put the time in, we will be represented by people who have no interest in or understanding of women's issues.

I have found it quite a tough journey. Lots of stuff to master in a short time. Issues, policies, IT, local politics (rampant!), even how to pace yourself. I am also uncomfortable with a couple of local policies - inevitable, few are able to take a complete slate from the get-go, and also seem to be viewed as alarmingly left wing. . Interestingly the two people who really reached out have been women. Straightforward nice women. I would have my doubts about the independents I am up against. I don't know them, but one set seem to be new-style LibDems in all but name. The other disaffected Tories. From what I hear some of the Council's nuttier Trans day of Remembrance/pronoun stuff was driven by one or two obsessive independents, who were given concessions in return for support elsewhere. No one thought it mattered.

I will try to write a "ask her to stand" post when it is over. Actually it could be ask "sensible people" to stand. Voters should have a choice. Not simply sit in the middle thinking there is no one they want to vote for.

Can't wait for 4 May and for it to be over. And if I get in, unlikely, I will do my best to ensure that my ward is pothole and littler free, and that people who need help to access local services, get it. Vote me!

And Keir. There are a whole load of people wanting to vote for you, who at the moment can't. The people who look at me and say "13 years" but who, at the end of the conversation say that they will vote for me, and that if Rishi keeps him head down and steadies the ship, they might also vote for him.

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2023 12:23

FOJN · 02/04/2023 11:11

Neither this article or the 'Stevenage women' article have been linked on Labour or Starmer's twitter pages. The article about self ID not being a priority wasn't either.
The article about 'modernising the outdated GRA was linked by Labour twitter but not KS.

He is lying to us, again, and it's intentional.

Because they are desperately hoping the TRAs - both the violently hostile Twitter mob and the faction within the party - won’t notice and Starmer can get away with being all things to all people. I suspect he is running very scared of a Guardian headline accusing him of “transphobic rhetoric”. His arse must have the mother of all splinters in it.

@Needmoresleep well done for standing! Interesting comment above about Rishi, I’m naturally a fairly lefty person but my MP has come out in support of women’s rights (hurrah!) so much as it sticks in my craw a bit to vote Tory at the next election, I may well do. I also trust Sunak/Hunt more on the currently-precarious economy than I do Labour. I know someone who is involved in the local Labour Party and she is full-on TWAW (including having TW as friends) so I don’t doubt that they’re all knee-deep in Kool-Aid there.

PronounssheRa · 02/04/2023 12:24

Ye gods. starmer and his advisors really do think women are stupid and we will fall for this duplicitous nonsense

No woman has a penis Keir, HTH.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/04/2023 12:24

Starmer thinks he’s proposing a pragmatic, middle-ground compromise. But at some point he’ll realise there is no compromising with TRAs. They don’t simply want respect, of to be just left alone to get on with their lives - they want to take over.

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2023 12:25

Also, the ripx4nutmeg thread above is brilliant! I’m going to save the individual memes quoting what MPs have said and splatter them over their Twitter feeds come the next election.

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2023 12:27

But at some point he’ll realise there is no compromising with TRAs

Without wanting to feed the argument that we’re just as bad as the TRAs (because we’re fucking not!), there’s no compromise as far as a lot of women are concerned either. TWAM, no woman has a penis, you can’t change your biological sex, no men in women-only spaces/sports, end of.

LidlChocolate · 02/04/2023 12:28

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/04/2023 12:24

Starmer thinks he’s proposing a pragmatic, middle-ground compromise. But at some point he’ll realise there is no compromising with TRAs. They don’t simply want respect, of to be just left alone to get on with their lives - they want to take over.

The only answer is to repeal the GRA, if you haven't reached this conclusion yet - in my opinion - you are a trans activist lite.

PronounssheRa · 02/04/2023 12:29

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2023 12:25

Also, the ripx4nutmeg thread above is brilliant! I’m going to save the individual memes quoting what MPs have said and splatter them over their Twitter feeds come the next election.

If I was standing against any of them, I'd be making then into leaflets

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2023 12:29

RubyTrees · Today 07:23
At the moment "not many" = 48,000.

And that’s before ‘reform of the GRC,’ as promised by
Kier Starmer, would mean any man at all who says they are a woman ( nothing required but saying they are) could sue for discrimination if someone tried to say a space or association is for women (biological) only.

All women only spaces would be open house ‘Gender’- woman spaces.

Feargal · 02/04/2023 12:31

That's quite a lot of peen in women's prisons. Does Starmer think women are stupid?

(We know the answer to that).

Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights
ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2023 12:32

LizzieSiddal · Yesterday 22:04

What makes me so angry is all the bullshit of “a toxic debate on both sides”.

Snap.

That has crossed the line once and for all for me, especially thinking about what has been happening to children.

Feargal · 02/04/2023 12:32

Feargal · 02/04/2023 12:31

That's quite a lot of peen in women's prisons. Does Starmer think women are stupid?

(We know the answer to that).

Duh.
Wrong pic.

Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights
ResisterRex · 02/04/2023 12:39

LidlChocolate · 02/04/2023 12:33

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65152581

Many MPs will try to block this as it applies to them over Queer theory, in my opinion.

Or they will back it and include not affirming your child's identity as abuse. We've seen it elsewhere to devastating effect.

Meanwhile, WPUK have had some replies Grin

https://twitter.com/womansplaceeuk/status/1642234148478763008?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

FOJN · 02/04/2023 12:40

I'm starting to think this might be a gift. He has said 0.1% of women have a penis so now we can distinguish between women with a penis and women without a penis which will opens the door to questions about whether women with penises should be allowed in the same spaces as women without penises. I think this will highlight the absurdity of TWAW, no one thinks a person with a penis is a woman.

LidlChocolate · 02/04/2023 12:57

FOJN · 02/04/2023 12:40

I'm starting to think this might be a gift. He has said 0.1% of women have a penis so now we can distinguish between women with a penis and women without a penis which will opens the door to questions about whether women with penises should be allowed in the same spaces as women without penises. I think this will highlight the absurdity of TWAW, no one thinks a person with a penis is a woman.

Yes, highlight that they aren't Eunuchs 90% are intact and many are attracted to females as well as males (including themselves).

GailBlancheViola · 02/04/2023 13:12

The only decent thing about Keir's 'new' stance is that he has, albeit tacitly, admitted that trans rights do clash with and will override women's rights if what trans people want is granted.

Trans people already have the same rights as everyone else plus an extra one.

RoyalCorgi · 02/04/2023 13:14

Keir Starmer can kiss my fat hairy arse.

Baldieheid · 02/04/2023 13:30

Whenever that penis-haver speaks, I hear Charlie Brown's teacher.

Wah wah wah wah wah.....wah wah wah. WAH! Wah wah wah, wah wah-wah waaaaaaah.

Meaningless drivel from a meaningless penis-haver.

cosmiccosmos · 02/04/2023 13:32

So are Labour floating ideas to see just what an issue this is going to be for them? We are quite a way off the election and they know this is an issue for them but are they seeing what they can get away with?

They need to understand that for many women there is no movement on this. Transwomen are not women they are trans identifying men who should not be allowed in women's spaces, sport, pros ifs, hospital wards.

So Labour, specifically Kier, go away and only come back when you re prepared to say and commit to confirming that transwomen are biological males and not women and that they should not be in women's spaces.

EdithStourton · 02/04/2023 13:48

unclebuck · 02/04/2023 11:33

Reverse ferret or insincere weasel?

😂😂😂
Love that.
(I'm going with the latter.)

RealityFan · 02/04/2023 13:52

EdithStourton · 02/04/2023 13:48

😂😂😂
Love that.
(I'm going with the latter.)

Dick-brained platypus.

notanicepersonapparently · 02/04/2023 14:03

@Needmoresleep I hope you do well in the election and I hope more people are encouraged to do what you are doing. It seems to me that if more women joined local labour parties then our voices might be heard.

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2023 14:06

RealityFan · 02/04/2023 13:52

Dick-brained platypus.

A platitude-pus?