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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

545 replies

Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 18:45

WhiteFire · 28/03/2023 18:37

After the Plymouth (UK) shooting I posted on MN that until society looks at the reason for young men to end up in the position the shooter did nothing would improve. I was rounded on and excused of not caring about the deceased and being an apologist. Apparently the only right response was that he was born bad and did a bad thing, there was no need for further discussion as that was just excuses.

I vehemently disagree, discussions have to happen however uncomfortable. Burying our heads in the sand is not an appropriate. We should be asking these questions every time, access to guns is a means not a reason.

Yes, I agree early intervention is key but I don't understand why, in this case, people are suddenly so keen to find contributing factors. That doesn't happen on here when males kill and I don't think it should because it's fairly insulting to the victims and their families.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 18:46

I mean, has it even been confirmed that this woman was on testosterone? Yet, several people have speculated that she was?

SchmoopiePie · 28/03/2023 18:49

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Florissante · 28/03/2023 18:50

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 18:40

You might know that, but the general narrative from TRAS is that trans people are generally lovely and harmless.

The general narrative from TRAs is complete and utter fantasy.

NotHavingIt · 28/03/2023 18:51

Florissante · 28/03/2023 18:50

The general narrative from TRAs is complete and utter fantasy.

Yes, we know that....but the public could do with being aware of that too.

Whatsthefrequencykenny · 28/03/2023 18:51

News sources are now reporting that Hale had high functioning autism
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nashville-school-shooting-live-updates-shooter-audrey-hale-had-high-functioning-autism-friend/ar-AA19aJXy

TottyKnickers · 28/03/2023 18:55

miraveille · 28/03/2023 05:00

He's male

'She' is male

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2023 18:56

Which is another predictor for being vulnerable to trans ideology.

Which needs to be recognised and considered.

Hashtag Not making excuses for people with autism or people who are trans...

Delphinium20 · 28/03/2023 18:59

Gladiaterf · 28/03/2023 17:43

Wtf, the shooters family and "Nashville" have asked for MN to stop discussing the trans issue? What??

I'm an American and I've fucking had it with being told I can't talk about gun violence and any and all ways to stop it. If giving testosterone to women is one way to stop it, let's talk about it. If reevaluating how we treat trans people with mental health services is one way to stop it, let's talk about it. If prosecuting people who give easy access to guns will help, let's talk about it. If gun laws are too lax, let's talk about it.

I have children in American schools and we are always on edge with a possible shooting. While I'm potentially sorry for the family (depends on if they gave her guns), gun deaths are the leading cause of children in the US. Innocent children who could have been mine. The feelings of a family of a child shooter should not take priority.

IF ANYONE can help fix this, let's talk about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2023 19:00

but someone questioned how discussing this on MN would impact those people affected by the tragedy

Did they. Who might this "someone" be then? It is probably being discussed on every message board in the English speaking world, so unsurprisingly MN is no exception.

Delphinium20 · 28/03/2023 19:00

*leading cause of child deaths

BellePeppa · 28/03/2023 19:03

RedToothBrush · 28/03/2023 17:10

When you talk on the internet, you aren't just talking to the person you reply directly to. You are talking to an audience of onlookers too.

The 'look what you made us do' narrative is already being pushed.

Think about it.

No idea what you’re talking about. Unless you think all trans people could be school shooters if they’re feeling vulnerable? Hale is an it, as are all school shooters, end of.

BordoisAgain · 28/03/2023 19:03

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 18:45

Yes, I agree early intervention is key but I don't understand why, in this case, people are suddenly so keen to find contributing factors. That doesn't happen on here when males kill and I don't think it should because it's fairly insulting to the victims and their families.

Whenever there's a mass shooting by an incel or other socially isolated males There have been discussions on how violent young men, are shaped and radicalised by pornography, online communities feeding them a warped view of women, etc.

In this particular case it is a female being radicalised by similar methods.

ReunitedThorns · 28/03/2023 19:04

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 18:45

Yes, I agree early intervention is key but I don't understand why, in this case, people are suddenly so keen to find contributing factors. That doesn't happen on here when males kill and I don't think it should because it's fairly insulting to the victims and their families.

Every single one of these incidents has people looking for contributing factors. Don't try and make it seem that this one is different.

Normally they look at what computer games the shooter was playing.

The whole Incel thing was borne out from one of these shootings.

A female mass shooter is rare, so obviously they would have to look at what made her do it.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 19:08

ReunitedThorns · 28/03/2023 19:04

Every single one of these incidents has people looking for contributing factors. Don't try and make it seem that this one is different.

Normally they look at what computer games the shooter was playing.

The whole Incel thing was borne out from one of these shootings.

A female mass shooter is rare, so obviously they would have to look at what made her do it.

I did not see anyone coming up with 'reasons' why 'Isla Bryson' raped women, no mention of potential MH issues. Obviously, there will be contributing factors but they were not really discussed on here. It was definitely more 'evil bastard' type comments which I obviously am not arguing with.

AchillesElbow · 28/03/2023 19:09

Cannot believe that the Guardian of all places have published a piece about how unusual this crime as is as the perpetrators are usually male. This person identifies as male. Why is the Guardian so willing to accept the claimed identities of rapists but not the identity of this person?

SchmoopiePie · 28/03/2023 19:10

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DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 19:14

coldmarchmorn · 28/03/2023 17:26

There is no way on earth the family members of children killed yesterday are contacting anyone to talk about MN discussion of the trans issues, that are being talked about all over the world.

It's an offensive and cynical attempt to tell us to shut up some more though.

BackToWhereItAllBegan · Today 12:55
You should not be giving the shooter the satisfaction of trying to have a balanced discussion around this issue.
I promise you nobody in Nashville cares about what pronouns they used or what they identified as.
I know one of the victims families, they care that 3 teenage boys have lost their baby sister forever.
Please stop using this evil act as a springboard for your opinions, we are a community in deep mourning and everyone's focus should be on the families and friends of the victims not the evil that perpetrated this.

This was the post I was referring to. The thread had something about The Guardian in the title. For clarity these are not my own sentiments - only mentioned it as part of a reply to another poster, and only posted here because some were doubting the veracity of it.

WhiteFire · 28/03/2023 19:14

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 19:08

I did not see anyone coming up with 'reasons' why 'Isla Bryson' raped women, no mention of potential MH issues. Obviously, there will be contributing factors but they were not really discussed on here. It was definitely more 'evil bastard' type comments which I obviously am not arguing with.

The reasons are generally well established, as well as the ones for the killing of an intimate partner.

Situations like this are much more complex and there are often many factors involved.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2023 19:24

Cannot believe that the Guardian of all places have published a piece about how unusual this crime as is as the perpetrators are usually male. This person identifies as male. Why is the Guardian so willing to accept the claimed identities of rapists but not the identity of this person?

It's really quite telling.

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 19:28

WhiteFire · 28/03/2023 19:14

The reasons are generally well established, as well as the ones for the killing of an intimate partner.

Situations like this are much more complex and there are often many factors involved.

Absolutely.
If Isla Bryson/Adam Graham was a mass murderer, questions about how he came to be one would definitely be asked.
Asking questions and investigating common factors are how we established the existence of the DV to terrorism fast track.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 19:30

Absolutely.
If Isla Bryson/Adam Graham was a mass murderer, questions about how he came to be one would definitely be asked.
Asking questions and investigating common factors are how we established the existence of the DV to terrorism fast track.

Are you really suggesting that people on here would be discussing his mental health if he had murdered 3 children?

WhiteFire · 28/03/2023 19:35

Well he didn't so it is a moot point.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 19:41

WhiteFire · 28/03/2023 19:35

Well he didn't so it is a moot point.

Well, plenty of men have and it is generally just accepted on here that they are bad people, mental health is rarely brought up. I mean, they might occasionally be called a psychopath but not in a 'his neuropsychiatric disorder could be behind his actions' way.

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2023 19:48

We always wonder why men do spree killings or mass shootings.
It doesn't absolve them of responsibility for what they did. It just points to how to prevent others.