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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Boycott New Zealand

694 replies

Clymene · 26/03/2023 16:48

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

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Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 16:01

@HermioneKipper sadly it’s not changed, my friend is currently working in a govt dept. It’s just unbelievable isn’t it. It’s a very common attitude.

Queenofscones · 28/03/2023 18:07

However, scratch the surface of that beautiful place and you’ll find a huge undercurrent of misogyny and racism.

I agree. I have family In NZ and tend to go off touring on my own over there when I'm visiting, which I do every 4 or five years. The racism, even among nice, educated professionals like my family, is always lurking just below the surface. Last time I was driving randomly around the South Island I had too many odd encounters with big macho blokes. There were some very uncomfortable undercurrents. After Saturday's event I've stopped telling myself I must have been imagining things. The misogyny is real and I would now not want to travel solo over there.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 28/03/2023 18:13

Queenofscones · 28/03/2023 18:07

However, scratch the surface of that beautiful place and you’ll find a huge undercurrent of misogyny and racism.

I agree. I have family In NZ and tend to go off touring on my own over there when I'm visiting, which I do every 4 or five years. The racism, even among nice, educated professionals like my family, is always lurking just below the surface. Last time I was driving randomly around the South Island I had too many odd encounters with big macho blokes. There were some very uncomfortable undercurrents. After Saturday's event I've stopped telling myself I must have been imagining things. The misogyny is real and I would now not want to travel solo over there.

I found the same in Oz, so I was not surprised to see the attacks on KJK there.

There is so much I love about Australia, including many wonderful people, but the misogyny and racism were never far away. People would openly slag off First Australian (aboriginal) patients at work, in a way that would never happen in the NHS. I'm not saying, of course, that the NHS has eliminated racism - far from it. But I've never come across such open, unapologetic workplace racism over here. And, despite always having worked in a male-dominated, quite macho medical speciality (urgent/emergency care), I have never encountered so much sexism as I did in Australia.

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 19:27

There is so much I love about Australia, including many wonderful people, but the misogyny and racism were never far away. People would openly slag off First Australian (aboriginal) patients at work, in a way that would never happen in the NHS

even just visiting, I had taxi drivers and shop assistants say unbelievably racist things. One lady said to my (white ) husband, do you guys have a problem with your blacks there too?!!! Can you imagine, so unashamedly racist to a stranger, like they’d join in. It’s how I feel about both countries, beautiful, lovely weather, great outdoor lifestyle and adventurous people… but they haven’t let go of the racism and sexism as much as other countries I’ve lived in or visited.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2023 22:14

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 11:17

*sashh" · Today 10:26

I think there's a winery in Aberdeenshire. That could be a complete fever dream, of course...

And whoever said that Anchor is now made in Britain, thanks.

Perthshire. Cairn O Mhor.

Queenofscones · 28/03/2023 22:52

I have family in New Zealand and have visited several times. When I was younger and was travelling around with friends and family I was impervious to the undercurrent but going back in 2019, and travelling alone quite a lot of the time, I had that Jane Campion Top of the Lake vibe in too many places on the South Island. Too many weird experiences with men pushing boundaries and being rude and abusive. I'm really not surprised to see it all coming out now. The misogyny and homophobia has never been far beneath the surface.

Bubblesoffun · 28/03/2023 23:54

Queenofscones · 28/03/2023 22:52

I have family in New Zealand and have visited several times. When I was younger and was travelling around with friends and family I was impervious to the undercurrent but going back in 2019, and travelling alone quite a lot of the time, I had that Jane Campion Top of the Lake vibe in too many places on the South Island. Too many weird experiences with men pushing boundaries and being rude and abusive. I'm really not surprised to see it all coming out now. The misogyny and homophobia has never been far beneath the surface.

Funny I got the same feeling in many small British villages.

SinnerBoy · 29/03/2023 00:33

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 22:14

Ah, all the way down South, there. For the hot weather!

SinnerBoy · 29/03/2023 00:38

@Bubblesoffun

Funny I got the same feeling in many small British villages.

To be fair, you can hear that sort of crap in the street, on Metro platforms and shops, where I live. Plenty of "I'm not racist but..."

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 29/03/2023 01:30

The only time I’ve been assaulted in broad day light in a public space was in Warrington…

PatientZorro · 29/03/2023 06:55

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 29/03/2023 01:30

The only time I’ve been assaulted in broad day light in a public space was in Warrington…

and? The only time I’ve been sexually assaulted was in Sydney.

PatientZorro · 29/03/2023 06:56

….on a busy train. No-one batted an eyelid.

AsMyGranWouldSay · 29/03/2023 07:27

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 07:51

You forget that a decent proportion of us have lived in the UK and know exactly what it's like: I spent ten years there and was back last year. I doubt that many of you could say the same about New Zealand.

Telling us you're ahead of the curve over there and one day we'll wake up to what you're saying? Okay, coloniser 🙄

Maori Wahine here. I’d appreciate it if you would not call members of this feminist forum colonisers. You can imagine that throwing that around when Maori are included is pretty offensive, and I find it racist. None of the people in the UK now, are colonisers. The descendants of colonisers would be people like you. Back in NZ. That’s your history, not the people in the uk. I’ve lived in uk 20 years and NZ for much longer. I know plenty of kiwis in the UK too. We are all here for a reason. How many kiwis live overseas now? 1/5th of the population isn’t it? That’s quite a lot for a place you are describing as some safe utopia. I guess my mother imagines the racism at work, on the street? I guess all of my female friends also imagine their domestic abuse, sexual abuse and harassment too? I must of imagined my rapes, plural, in NZ too. I must of imagined all the street harassment. I must of imagined by teacher abusing the whole class of girls and us being threatened when we told the principal. The statistics on NZ’s violence problem, are they lies too? The highest rate of domestic violence in the developed world, it’s increased in recent years but convictions and court appearances have dropped. Police aren’t bothering to even arrest them. I also must of completely made up in my head all the many many articles in NZ media defending various All Blacks who hit their partners. My friends must of made up the abuse they get from kiwis online if they dare to want to talk about that.

NZ is a fucking scary place to be a woman and yes, for the ignorant kiwi posters with no clue, that is evident in the statistics and data. If you don’t know this and you live a carefree life walking around by yourself, without ever even encountering any other women who has been a victim, then you live in a very privileged bubble. But don’t you dare come here and tell anyone that kiwi women are safe as and none of what we just saw represents NZ. It does. It’s always been like this. Whether it’s Maori you’re silencing and stealing from, or women, you lot just don’t want anyone talking about it. I mean I’m familiar with white washing folks, but denying violence against women and girls is a problem there… that takes some nerve that does.

This. 100 times this..

GrammarTeacher · 29/03/2023 07:52

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 08:00

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

No. she doesn’t prevent people from speaking ‘against her’. These are organised events where women are invited to speak and others listen. Running up to her to shout’ you’re not welcome ‘ or to throw something at her is not the same as waiting to speak. If you had watched any of these events in other locations you’d see people with different opinions can speak.
There was no attack by Posie or anyone associated with her on ‘women of colour’. Be careful making false accusations without evidence. Maori were beaten and assaulted by TRA’s, one has a broken foot.
The ‘Nazis’ weren’t at any of her events. They are separate to her event in Melbourne. You can see this on footage. She has repeatedly said she thinks nazi’s are abhorrent. Stop making Nazis her fault, it’s stupid.
Nobody said they speak for everyone at all so I don’t know why you’re saying that.

RosaBonheur · 29/03/2023 08:09

GrammarTeacher · 29/03/2023 07:52

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

Hi, can you provide a link to a news article reporting on assaults committed by people connected with Kellie-Jay Keen?

Because so far, in all the ridiculously biased (against Kellie-Jay Keen) reporting I've seen, the only confirmed assaults were committed against Kellie-Jay Keen herself and a 70 year old woman, both by trans activists.

There may or may not have been Nazis present, I don't know. But if there were Nazis there, it looks like the trans activists behaved worse than the Nazis, which is really not a good look, is it?

Fooksticks · 29/03/2023 08:19

GrammarTeacher · 29/03/2023 07:52

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

Two things.

  1. It's allowed, not aloud.
  1. Fuck off with your 'Nazi connection'.
DialSquare · 29/03/2023 08:23

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WickedSerious · 29/03/2023 08:27

GrammarTeacher · 29/03/2023 07:52

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

I can see that you've been very busy researching this issue,thank you for taking the time to post today.

sashh · 29/03/2023 09:00

GrammarTeacher · 29/03/2023 07:52

KJK's team prevented women from speaking against her. Only one side is aloud to speak it seems. You continually insist you speak for all women on here. You don't. Those of us who disagree with you aren't stupid. We disagree.
No mention of the assaults on women of colour by KJK's side nor the support of Nazi.

No mention of the price of fish either.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 29/03/2023 09:57

PatientZorro · 29/03/2023 06:55

and? The only time I’ve been sexually assaulted was in Sydney.

And….?

Isn’t it obvious? This shit happens anywhere and everywhere.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/03/2023 10:22

People keep talking about nazis being at JKJ events (and trying to conflate ‘being at’ with ‘invited to’) but when I first saw the men, dressed in black, with black masks on at the Melbourne event, I actually thought they were the TRAs Black Pampers, then when they saluted, I thought f’ing ‘ell, that’s kicking it up a notch or 10.

Maybe the Nazis got the idea from the Black Pampers 🤔 or were pissed off and thought the Pampers were taking the piss.

Anyhoo just me musing, and all to say the violent people (usually that’s men, but there seem to be fair few women in the crowds) that turn up to fight each other, the TRAs, the Pampers, the fash, and anti fash, and the just want to shout at women misogynists are feck all to do with women who just want to speak.

I guess all the men win, as women are yet again drowned out.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 10:28

There may or may not have been Nazis present, I don't know.

No reports or evidence from Auckland and in Melbourne they were entirely separate to the let women speak event. I believe Romper Stomper was set in Melbourne

letterwritingwarrior · 29/03/2023 10:32

Name changed for privacy reasons. I am a PP in this thread.

Just sent the following email:

Dear Mr Hipkins,

I was horrified to read, in the international media over the last few days, reports of the assaults carried out on Kellie-Jay Keen and other women's rights protesters, by trans activists in Auckland.

In case you are unaware of the context, Kellie-Jay Keen is a British women's rights campaigner who holds events under the name "Let Women Speak". These events are low budget and low tech, consisting mainly of a patch of grass and a microphone. Any woman who has something to say about women's rights is permitted to do so. Kellie-Jay Keen was invited to New Zealand by a group of Maori women to host this event.

Similar events have taken place in other countries, namely in the UK but also in Australia. Due to the focus on single sex spaces for women, which are currently under threat all over the western world where transgender males are allowed to self ID into such spaces, these events typically attract counter-protests from trans activists. Women exercising their right to peaceful protest have been verbally, physically and in some cases sexually assaulted by violent trans activists, for example, in Bristol and Brighton in the UK, in Melbourne, and now in Auckland.

What has shocked me to the core about the events in Auckland is the fact that, after multiple women were assaulted by trans activists simply for exercising their right to speak about an issue which is having serious consequences for women everywhere, and after Kellie-Jay Keen herself was forced to flee your country due to fears for her own safety, New Zealand politicians spoke out, praising the trans activist community for a job well done.

Kellie-Jay Keen and many other women worldwide have legitimate concerns about the presence of transgender males, not all of whom are harmless or benign, in women's changing rooms, rape crisis groups, prisons and sporting categories. Even if their concerns were not legitimate, which in my view they are, they should still be entitled to exercise their right to peaceful free speech without being threatened and assaulted by people who are supposedly on the "right side of history", and who are aggressively demanding that women "be kind" to them.

This is not the first time that New Zealand has shown itself to be completely tone deaf on this issue. Many of us were disgusted about the smug, self-congratulatory speeches emanating from New Zealand about being the first country in the world to send a trans woman to compete as a woman at the Olympics. Most people around the world saw this for what it was: a mediocre, privileged, white male weightlifter from a rich country, who had failed to excel at men's weight lifting, stealing the opportunity of a lifetime for a young, elite, female athlete to represent her country at the Olympics.

This is not progressive. This is misogyny. If you think that New Zealand is painting itself in a positive light on this issue, you are very much mistaken.

I will be boycotting New Zealand products until further notice, and encouraging others to do the same.