Boycott New Zealand

[Clymene]

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

I'm not "screaming".

Let's leave it at that!

This!

If you think it's a good thing that a woman who was invited by a group of Maori women to host a grass roots women's rights event ended up literally fleeing the country due to concerns for her own safety, well, that says far more about you than it does about Posie Parker.

But it's not really in keeping with the whole "right side of history" territory these self-described "progressives" are so anxious to claim.

And yet you seem to think you know everything about her.

Great article from Victoria Smith. You can dress it up however you like but it's still male violence against women.

thecritic.co.uk/violence-against-women-but-woke/

Thank you for sharing - that is a great article. I thought this bit was particularly perceptive:

One of the most disturbing things about mob violence against women is that, as in witch trials, once it becomes a spectacle, it becomes self-justifying. No one on your side would do this, would they, unless they had good reason? The worse it looks — the more obvious it becomes that these are just men, shouting at women, threatening them, abusing them, same as always — the more necessary it becomes to dig in your heels, to insist that the targets are real witches, this time.

Finally someone who speaks with some reason. Why can't there just be an intelligent discussion about the topic which might then actually educate people.

What would you like to say to educate people?

Instead of feeling sick over a word as pp did just post your better version.

Fwiw yes I do think people who cheer because KJK was forced to leave should think about why that happened.

It was due to the violence, so think carefully about whether to cheer at all.

Good article below which shows that this is male violence no matter how you dress it up.

Yes, great article. Reminds me of a pub I happened across once. I think it was in the New Forest. I don't remember it well but it had been there for centuries. It was called something like The Good Woman. Apparently, there had been a bit of a fashion for these names. As in the article the woman was gagged, or beheaded, or wearing a scolds bridle. Imagine being a woman and having that as your local.

Private William Bragg , Royal Irish Hussars to you. Is Private an adjective or a pronoun? Must get these things right in the current climate.

Probably because when women try to speak they are threatened by a violent mob?

Yup.

It's awful the way that women on FWR force people who don't like our approach to follow threads and debate with us, though. We really should consider giving people a choice whether to engage.

Marsha

Fwiw yes I do think people who cheer because KJK was forced to leave should think about why that happened. It was due to the violence, so think carefully about whether to cheer at all.

Now, you, me an numerous others see reason in that, but it would seem for some, that being so invested in despising KJK, it's an irrelevance, which can be dismissed with a generic, "Violence is bad, yeah? Mkay?"

With no condemnation of individual acts. Can reasoned and reasonable argument get through to them?

From recent accounts on MN, I'd say yes, in some cases, but others simply aren't willing to see the other side, or appraise videos, or people's written word with any objectivity.

It's still worth trying.

Wow. That's absolutely spot on. Sharing the fuck out of this.

Apparently, this is the little shite trans ally that punched that pensioner. Link to twitter thread which has the film of her being assaulted, so be warned

https://twitter.com/MadDogCoin/status/1640628139922714624?s=20

I hope he washes his hair before he appears in court. Golly, white male, so oppressed.

A generic "violence is bad" allows you to claim to have condemned the violence under discussion without acknowledging who perpetrated it.

Ok here’s my less provocative version : )

If you are happy / cheering that KJK was forced to leave and no one could speak at the LWS event

Maybe think about why no one could and if that violence was proportionate or justified and worth cheering for

Relaxing** as evidenced on this and other threads and on a recent radio broadcast, clearly many NZ women did want her including the poor lady who was smacked in the face twice by a man apparently on the right side of history

@RosaBonheur

Well, precisely - isn't that the whole point of it? To claim the status of Righteous Person, entitled to condemn people, using outrageous calumnies.

Some of them seem to be living in a fantasy world.

Why can't there just be an intelligent discussion about the topic which might then actually educate people.

/// Jesus, the irony of this

The opportunity for the intelligent discussion was in the park in Auckland. Unfortunately, the TRAs chose not to play.

There's a reason they don't want to have an intelligent discussion.

It's because all the reasons why trans women should be in women's spaces ultimately boil down to one: because they want to be.

Humans can't change sex, and gender isn't actually real. Nobody who believes in gender can explain what it actually is without resorting to stereotypes which the majority of people don't conform to anyway. Nobody who believes in gender identity can explain what it is other than simply having a personality, or what their gender identity has to do with anyone else.

This whole ideology is a form of extreme individualism. I want to be a woman and I believe I have the right to force the whole of the rest of society to deny the evidence of their own eyes and pretend that I am a woman, regardless of what impact that has on their ability to feel safe and comfortable in changing rooms, access rape crisis services or compete fairly in sports.

As soon as you start trying to discuss it rationally, it becomes clear that gender ideology is indefensible and unworkable at a societal level. You simply cannot give these rights to trans people without others suffering as a consequence.

We could have that intelligent discussion and eventually land on a compromise where we address trans women as "she", we don't abuse or harass people for wearing gender non conforming clothing, we don't discriminate against people in employment or other areas of public life for presenting in a certain way, and where, over time, we create additional third spaces for trans people so they can use the toilet and get changed safely and with dignity, without encroaching on women's spaces and compromising women's ability to do exactly the same.

But that's not a compromise we are ever going to reach because it's not what they want. A women's toilet without any women in it is just a toilet. A women's swimming competition without any women in it is, well, a men's swimming competition.

Ultimately, it is an ideology which just doesn't make a damn bit of sense, and politicians on the left and centre probably should have thought about this before hitching themselves so publicly to the trans rights bandwagon.

I mean no disrespect to trans people, or rather, people with gender dysphoria, when I say this. And ultimately I think they are starting to lose public support and the zealotry of the trans activists will ultimately cause innocent trans people untold harm.

But this is the reason why they don't want to have an intelligent discussion. It's why reasoned debate must be prevented at all costs. It's why women must not be allowed to speak.

That.

And the international behaviour this weekend demonstrated, there is no point in trying to have a rational conversation with someone who has completely lost it, and is screaming, spitting and trying to hit you like a thwarted toddler.

What's needed right now is extremely firm re establishment of the message that however you happen to feel and however you identify, you do not get exempted from the laws of the land and a free pass to be a violent nutjob.

A rational conversation takes two parties with the capacity for rationality.

I also lived and worked in NZ and have a huge amount of affection for the place.

However, scratch the surface of that beautiful place and you’ll find a huge undercurrent of misogyny and racism.

I worked for the government while I was there and the amount of people that openly insulted Māori people was shocking. Calling them stupid/drunks/violent/benefits seekers etc etc. With absolutely no consequences - right up to senior levels. They all preach about how inclusive they are, use Māori words in daily language, know the Haka etc but it’s all BS and for show.

Attitudes towards women are shocking as well. Domestic violence goes up when the All Blacks lose a game and it has amongst the highest rates of DV in the western world.

So all in all, very upsetting scenes but not really that shocking when you scratch the surface. Any excuse to abuse women

I worked for the government while I was there and the amount of people that openly insulted Māori people was shocking.

oh interesting @HermioneKipper I have someone close to me who was on the receiving end of that kind of thing there.

It was over 10 years ago now but I assume that kind of thing doesn’t change overnight.

I’m so sorry to hear that.

In the govt department I worked in, we had a Māori officer specifically employed to deal with Māori issues. They were careful about what they said in front of him but once his back was turned he was also a target for being ‘a pain and obsessed with Māoris ….’