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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Boycott New Zealand

694 replies

Clymene · 26/03/2023 16:48

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

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Delphinium20 · 27/03/2023 18:54

suggestionsplease1 · 27/03/2023 07:14

That video clip is the very definition of hate speech.

I'm sorry you are unable to see it.

The US may have a lot of problems, but the one thing we do quite well is freedom of speech. Hate speech laws are always problematic (a legal concept we don't have in our law) because who gets to define what speech is hateful? Currently, you are claiming that saying a man can not be a woman is hate speech. Do you want a law that curtails you speaking your beliefs? What happens when a majority gets into power and says you can no longer fly your pink and blue flag? Do you want that? Because that's the problem with hate speech laws, those in power decide what ideology they think is hate and what they think isn't hate. I don't want an evangelical power grab to tell me I have to pray to Zeus every day any more than I want a TRA power grab to tell me I can't say, "Hey, that dude is a man." Posie Parker, as off the cuff as she is (and I often disagree with her opinions btw) has never called for violence against anyone. That would not be protected speech. Your 'hate speech' laws will hurt you more than you realize. Liberalism and democracy die under hate speech laws and it makes me realize that New Zealand isn't the paradise of democracy it claims it is.

Tillytrotter67 · 27/03/2023 18:57

https://mobile.twitter.com/K_F_P/status/1640382268416962560

It's been suggested that this was filmed before the actual event to whip up sympathy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/_K_F_P_/status/1640382268416962560

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 19:13

I'm sorry you are unable to see it.

🙄 sorry that you are unable to see your own misogyny and disrespect for other women… and reality.

JanesLittleGirl · 27/03/2023 19:20

suggestionsplease1 · 27/03/2023 14:57

I am aware of the data, and you don't seem at all qualified to comment on it.

Why don't you train up for a few years, and put yourself in a position to carefully evaluate the stats and the context around the stats.

If you are still making analysis of this sort then and insisted you were correct, and you were in employment, your employer would fire you.

Well I am qualified to comment on it. The conclusion is valid if the data are valid. It is perfectly possible that the data are a pile of dog shit. It could be that 90% of trans identifying sex offenders are, to coin a phrase, "at it". Further analysis of transwomen detransitioning on release would be required.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 19:30

nepeta · 27/03/2023 18:45

The data from the US and Canadian prison systems look very much like the data from the UK, with roughly the same percentage of trans women having been sentenced for sexual violence crimes and that percentage being higher than the same for the general male prison population.

You can always tell the bad-faith actors from their refusal to engage with the actual argument. As soon as you put a counter-point to a point they have made, they jump to another gambit - ad hominem attack, demanding that you prove a negative etc.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 19:40

The conclusion is valid if the data are valid. It is perfectly possible that the data are a pile of dog shit. It could be that 90% of trans identifying sex offenders are, to coin a phrase, "at it". Further analysis of transwomen detransitioning on release would be required

Indeed, though the MOJ data (as opposed to the HMPS/ONS data earlier in the thread) are only being presented as a comparison of sexual offending rates amongst different groups currently in prison, and not as indicative of offending rates in the general population. All they tell us is the the percentage of trans-identifying men (ironically excluding those with a GRC, who are categorised as female) in prison who have committed sexual offences is high.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 19:42

We don’t have hate speech laws in NZ @Delphinium20

RosaBonheur · 27/03/2023 20:27

@Bowlofporridge and @Mamaneedsadrink.

How nice for you that you feel safe as a woman in New Zealand.

Do you agree that women who don't share the same set of beliefs as you should also have the right to feel safe holding and expressing those views in New Zealand? Women like @TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand, for example?

Many of us are appalled that a British woman who travelled to your country to speak about women's rights was assaulted by a trans activist, causing her to cut short her trip due to concerns about her personal safety, and your politicians are openly praising the behaviour of the trans activists, apparently in the sincere belief that this makes New Zealand look good. It does not.

But then I guess you have previous form for such staggering lack of self awareness. You seemed to think you were being progressive and inclusive when you sent a middle aged, out of shape, mediocre, rich male weightlifter to compete as a woman in the Olympics, thereby depriving a young, elite, female weightlifter of the opportunity of a lifetime. But everyone outside your smug, woke, self-congratulatory little bubble was pretty horrified. The idea that you are "leading the world in female rights" is an absolute joke.

@Athrawes is of the view that Kellie-Jay Keen associates with Nazis. But as others have pointed out, she has made it clear that she does not align herself with the views of Nazis. If the mainstream media is constantly reporting that you are a Nazi sympathiser, people will believe it, including the Nazis themselves, who will feel emboldened to show up at your events.

Kellie-Jay Keen's events are low, almost no budget, and low, almost no tech. They pretty much consist of a patch of grass and a microphone, because she has been deplatformed everywhere else. There is a rather wonderful element of democracy to them; any woman who has something to say on the subject of women's rights is allowed to speak. But there are also risks associated with this format. Namely, the risk that anyone else can show up too, from Nazis who give your cause a bad name, to trans activists who may violently assault you.

@goodnightkiwi I have read about Eli Rubashkyn, who seems to have had a difficult life. However, that is no excuse for committing crimes. I cannot think of a single other group which is apparently above the law in this way. Throwing liquid over a woman is an act of violence. Throwing acid over women who have misbehaved in some way is an horrific and sadly all too common act of male violence. Can we all just take a minute to appreciate how terrifying it must have been, to be in that environment, surrounded by political activists who have turned up for the purpose of showing how much they hate you, and to have an unidentified liquid thrown in your face? Kellie-Jay Keen must have been afraid she was seconds away from a life changing injury.

Let's be clear about this; what Eli Rubashkyn did was assault. It is a crime. It would be considered assault in the UK, as any first year law student could tell you, and a quick Google informs me that it is also assault in New Zealand.

Has this criminal been arrested? Have they fuck. No, indeed your politicians are all smugly congratulating the whole country on a job well done. A women's rights campaigner literally hounded out of your country for daring to say that women should be allowed to have their own spaces and their own sports.

The question New Zealand's trans activists should be asking themselves is this: what does it say about you when you and your friends show up at an event where there are actual Nazis present, and you behave worse than the actual Nazis?

Sadly, I doubt they will.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 20:27

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 19:42

We don’t have hate speech laws in NZ @Delphinium20

Yes you do - link

A hate crime is an offence perceived by the victim, or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards a person’s race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability or age...
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Hate crimes and hate incidents can encompass a broad range of acts, including threatening behaviour, harassment and verbal abuse, online abuse, criminal damage, assault and sexual violence.

Hate crime

New Zealand Police

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-services/advice-victims/hate-crime

RosaBonheur · 27/03/2023 20:35

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 20:27

Yes you do - link

A hate crime is an offence perceived by the victim, or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards a person’s race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability or age...
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Hate crimes and hate incidents can encompass a broad range of acts, including threatening behaviour, harassment and verbal abuse, online abuse, criminal damage, assault and sexual violence.

I note that sex and political beliefs aren't covered.

So people with gender identities are protected by these laws but Kellie-Jay Keen isn't.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 20:36

Yup - same as in the UK. The only type of women protected by these laws are the ones with penises.

WickedSerious · 27/03/2023 20:42

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 17:40

Is this the NZ thread that discussed Prison population?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11907547/Transgender-woman-54-jailed-nine-years-stabbing-trans-woman.html

You would think after Sturgeon they would be left out of a woman's prison.

A scared caste attacked another of the scared caste.

He's fifty four?

Must be a worrier.

GailBlancheViola · 27/03/2023 20:51

He's fifty four?

and definitely very woman like, I mean you'd absolutely not notice him in the Ladies would you, he'd just blend seamlessly in.

Delphinium20 · 27/03/2023 21:15

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 19:42

We don’t have hate speech laws in NZ @Delphinium20

I guess I took at face value that person who was claiming PP was violating hate speech laws. Good to know. Thanks for correcting me.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 21:18

Delphinium20 · 27/03/2023 21:15

I guess I took at face value that person who was claiming PP was violating hate speech laws. Good to know. Thanks for correcting me.

Actually they do have hate speech laws in NZ, it's just that they don't protect women of the boring old cunty type, only the type with penises.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 21:42

Sorry, we do - they are under review and we have our Libertarian party pushing against strengthening them, in the cause of ensuring free speech.

And yes, as ever, men are prioritised.

namitynamechange · 27/03/2023 21:50

Tillytrotter67 · 27/03/2023 18:57

https://mobile.twitter.com/K_F_P/status/1640382268416962560

It's been suggested that this was filmed before the actual event to whip up sympathy.

I've seen better acting on Hollyoaks
But on a serious note - obviously this person is responsible for their own actions - but also they seem like someone who is maybe naturally narcistic/self centred/aggressive whatever who has been surrounded by people bigging them up - confirming that they are indeed right in what they do, encouraging them to go further etc. Until they go to far and then all those people will melt away like snow. If not as a result of this event then in the future. Which is part of a general TRA pattern actually.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 21:58

They could have just not thrown liquid at someone, I mean how hard is it? 😔

Boycott New Zealand
TheMatriarchy · 27/03/2023 23:18

NZ and Australia are quite backwards places in terms of women's rights sadly. Sexism, chauvinism and toxic macho male behaviour abounds. My observation is that although the women can seem loud and obnoxious, they will always kowtow to the men. There seems to be a lot of internalised misogyny, which is why women there present this rough, tough exterior - toxic male behaviour & culture is the cultural norm. Evidence suggests this is literally being beaten into NZ women:

"Research suggests that one in three (33%) of New Zealand women have experienced physical or sexual intimate partner violence (IPV) in their lifetime. When psychological abuse is added (where economic harm sits), it increases to one in two (55%)"
https://goodshepherd.org.nz/economic-harm/new-zealand-family-violence-and-economic-harm-statistics

The vitriol and sexism that Jacinda was subject to was shocking, they called her 'Cindy' and sexist tropes were all her critics seemed to be able to come up with. You don't even see that here in mainstream media even when its deserved (Truss!), because its not culturally acceptable.

New Zealand Family Violence and Economic Harm Statistics - Good Shepherd NZ

Good Shepherd NZ - New Zealand Family Violence and Economic Harm Statistics

https://goodshepherd.org.nz/economic-harm/new-zealand-family-violence-and-economic-harm-statistics#:~:text=Research%20suggests%20that%20one%20in,(IPV)%20in%20their%20lifetime.&text=When%20psychological%20abuse%20is%20added,one%20in%20two%20(55%25).&text=One%20in%20eight%20men%20reported%20being%20victims%20of%20family%20violence.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 23:45

Good that you know me and my countrywomen better than we do ourselves @TheMatriarchy

Have you been to New Zealand?

It’s been a long time since I ‘kowtowed to the men’. And I have never been ‘loud and obnoxious’.

😳

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 23:50

loud and obnoxious? That’s a little rude.

Startwithamimosa · 27/03/2023 23:58

Fascinating and disturbing as a woman in NZ to read such a nasty and hateful thread about NZers. Judging by the majority of the comments most don't even live here, yet seem to think they know alot about it. ...and btw, the bigots in NZ are usually of the old, white types AND many issues are rooted in colonialism so maybe have a bit of a think about where that originated from oh great British Empire 🙄
Such hateful comments under the guise of "feminism", seems more like this thread is just people who like to hate for any reason. Fancy a whole thread about how dumb NZ is, when most were appalled with the violence at this protest. Utterly batshit.

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 00:03

You’re appalled by the violence but saved your vitriol and attack for women writing words on this board.

It’s not hate to not tolerate violence against women

SinisterBumFacedCat · 28/03/2023 00:13

If most people were appalled by the violence why have they not mentioned it? Why haven’t your politicians come out and spoken against it? Why didn’t the police arrest anyone? Why didn’t your news agencies report on it? Because if most people are appalled they are keeping VERY quiet about it.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 28/03/2023 00:16

The utter arrogance for someone who probably came here once for a two-week holiday in 2014, telling us all about ourselves and and our culture.

Really offensive, and I say this as someone who’s embarrassed to be a Kiwi right now.