Boycott New Zealand

[Clymene]

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

Desperate stuff.

It is incontestably true that 59% of trans women prisoners were convicted of sexual offences. Are you denying that that is a staggeringly high figure, whether you compare with the baseline male population, or not?

Would it help to try to define where you are going with this line of thought?

Are you saying that Posie Parker's prejudice and bigotry in that podcast is justified because there are 76 transwomen in jail for sex offences?

Yeah - nice try. You implied that it was bigoted of KJK to believe that men who present themselves as women are particularly threatening.

Yet the data show that 59% of all trans-identifying men in prison have committed sexual offences. You can snipe at the data all you want but, even if it's out by 50%, it would still be double the rate for the general male population.

You won't admit it, but you clearly did not realise these data existed. Now that you have been shown them, your only recourse is to try to argue them away. But you're just exposing the weakness of your own argument.

"Would it help to try to define " where Kellie Jay Keen has expressed 'prejudice and bigotry' in that podcast?

And also, please answer:

Do you think a male exposing themselves in a female single sex space is not ‘creepy’?

If not, why not?

The rate of sexual offending amongst transwomen is considerably higher than for the general male population, and the victims of those offenders, as with the victims of non-trans male sex offenders, are overwhelmingly women and children.

Therefore it's clear that if anything, women and girls need even more, not less, safeguarding measures in regard to that group than in regard to the general male population.

But the aim of the TRAs and their supporters is to remove all such safeguards, by allowing transwomen unfettered access to all female safe spaces including toilets, changing rooms, shelters and prisons.

There is something wired up wrong in the brains of those who are woke.

I am aware of the data, and you don't seem at all qualified to comment on it.

Why don't you train up for a few years, and put yourself in a position to carefully evaluate the stats and the context around the stats.

If you are still making analysis of this sort then and insisted you were correct, and you were in employment, your employer would fire you.

And you can keep trying to distract all the way.

It makes little difference because you are the one who has twisted what she says in the podcast.

Here are the words:

How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

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(happy to post the rest but it is back on page 14 if anyone wants to go and look)

She is talking about 'males' and pointing out that now 'some' males are allowed to access these spaces because they have identified as 'women'.

Yet, that throughout time we have called out the "creepy man" who calls themselves a woman to get access to women's spaces to expose themselves.

Why are you not calling out the behaviour of those men?

It is very clear that the data shows that these males have 'at least' the same degree of risk of committing sex crimes as all other males.

No matter how you try to twist it, or to make useless 'appeals to authority', it doesn't erase the reality.

If you can't win the argument, attack your opponent.

JFC - comparing New Zealand to Afghanistan?!
WTAF

Security earned their money.

That's not really an attack. I can pretty much tell you that is what would happen. I'm sure most readers on this board can appreciate that too.

So I’m still not sure what is meant by Posies prejudice and bigotry on that podcast.

I know, it's ok. It's becoming apparent that plenty people on FWR can't recognise what a class of 10 years olds can recognise. Strange times, but there we have it.

I am sorry you don't like what the stats from ONS say.

We didn't quite believe the stats either, earlier in the year where lots of numbercrunching took place; according to the data provided from reputable sources, 1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders. That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women. Is is an horrific number, and you have been right be incredulous, after all, we are told that transwomen are the most oppressed and vulnerable people. SO pleased they are not

@suggestionsplease1 that was unnecessarily rude. You haven’t said have you? Can you point to it. From the full transcript.

Hate to do the "Not All UK" but I'm going to - PP and fans dont speak for me!
Dont know what's going on in the UK lately but we seem to be going backwards.

It's becoming apparent that plenty people on FWR can't recognise what a class of 10 years olds can recognise. Strange times, but there we have it.

Says the person that thinks Men can become Women.

It is very clear that the data shows that these males have 'at least' the same degree of risk of committing sex crimes as all other males.

Fucking hell.
These posts 😳
This thread perfect example of why people think us Brits are arrogant etc!

It's there in plain sight, I'm afraid I'm not going to handhold you through it.

Posie Parker "We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable."

Have you denounced the violence against women yet?

And there we have it yet again Readers.

The personal attack that comes when a poster understands they have nothing to support their claim. They cannot articulate it other than a vague 'she is prejudiced and a bigot'.

They seem to be reluctant to deny or support that any male who enters a female space using their gender identity to then expose themselves to women and girls is indeed a 'creep' as we in the past recognised.

"We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!"

Kellie Jay Keen has not in anyway said that 'all male trans people' are exposing their bodies in female single sex spaces. In fact, people reading this could interpret it as being that she is only talking about males who adopt a trans identity to get access to victims.

However, one poster in particular at the moment wishes to attempt to portray the words to mean something which they don't.

And has never, and I am certain will never, point out where and how Kellie Jay has been prejudiced and bigoted in this transcript. Yet will use many tactics to distract, deflect and diminish those who point out the deficiencies in that poster's argument.