Boycott New Zealand

[Clymene]

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

6% of the UK population is a huge figure - 2.9 million people - say around a third of them were transwomen that were unhappy to identify as such that would approx increase the number from 48,000 to 1,048,000.....

Which would take the figure to 87 out of a million, or less than a quarter of the figure for male sexual offenders.

Of course this is all speculation, but we know the huge unwillingness to identify as trans on surveys due to the historic (and unfortunately present) climate we live in of discrimination against trans people, and this is likely to massively skew figures.

To be fair Hepwo, I have seen enough negative generalisations about Australia during my time on MN. Quite often they are from people who don't have any depth of knowledge about Australia and I just ignore it because I have witnessed enough of the same from Australians about British people.

But it does happen. And I have seen posters I respect making them and not making them in jest or tongue in cheek.

Both Australia and UK have their own unique issues to deal with. Both places are great places to live.

I'm very happy that people read the full transcript - I don't know why you think I wouldn't be?

I don't have endless time to transcribe prejudice and bigotry so I focussed on the most salient parts, but I'm glad that you do have this time to write it all out.

The prejudice and bigotry is there for all to see.

Why don’t you apologise?

Nasty nasty

I'm curious as to why it's ok to question the ethnicity / origins of some posters but not others. This has been going on all weekend -posters being told they're lying about being from NZ or of Maori heritage when they disagree with the main thrust of opinion.

None of us know who we all really are behind the screen.

So then post it next time.

Stop posting a truncated version that cuts out the context.

Yes, having flexible work hours can be a bonus if it means I can spend time to type out an extra couple of paragraphs that you couldn’t be arsed to.

The words ARE there to see. You have not yet in the what? three times you have posted this?? been able to point out exactly where the prejudice and bigotry is.

Do you think a male exposing themselves in a female single sex space is not ‘creepy’?

Maybe your boundaries are so low that you cannot recognise sexualised behaviour and behaviour of males who cross the line into sexual abuse, but I doubt many other readers cannot read the words and see what she is trying to say.

Oh come off it. You are clutching at straws. You disputed my data sources and, now you see how solid they are, you are trying to find some other excuse to disbelieve them.

In any case, @TommyNever has already provided the MoJ figures:

Of the transwomen in UK prisons, 58.9% had at least one sexual offence conviction.
Of the men in UK prisons, only 16.8% had at least one sexual offence conviction.
Of the women in UK prisons, a tiny 3.3% had at least one sexual offence conviction.

I didn’t see anyone else tell a Maori person they’re not Maori, other than what just happened. There’s a poster who last year was racist to a Maori poster and, and I searched this, since that date had been using Maori words ( often incorrectly ) and then followed me around in the weekend when I joined making disparaging remarks including about my family. Their posts were removed for that reason and because they insulted another poster in Maori. Although from looking at the history of said poster they did not identify themselves as Maori before they were racist to the woman last year, nobody I think ever said: you are not Maori, to them. Just to me. Their comments were removed for personal attacks, not because they included Maori words

To be fair Hepwo, I have seen enough negative generalisations about Australia during my time on MN. Quite often they are from people who don't have any depth of knowledge about Australia and I just ignore it because I have witnessed enough of the same from Australians about British people

Yes, most Brits are convinced you cannot set foot in Australia without being bitten by a snake, terrorised by a spider and eaten by a croc. Laughable as, of course, this is only actually true in Queensland.

Well I’m kiwi and terrified of snakes, every time I go to Australia I see them!! But nobody I know living there does much. Maybe my fear attracts them 😂

If people posted yes I condemn the violence I’d understand

But so much is not that. It’s bizarre

Imagine being for violence against women.

Like cats 😉

😂 and yet, the huge majority of us Queenslanders do manage to grow up to adulthood.

Sexual harassment is taken seriously in NZ. In 2020 a sexworker won a 6 figure payout.

You mentioned Afghanistan, what do you think happens to women (sexworkers or otherwise) who make a complaint of sexual harassment?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123694563/sex-worker-wins-sixfigure-settlement-in-sexual-harassment-case

It was you who started the bashing with your morally rigtheous tone; and your depiction of the many varied women who post, or look in here, as right wing bigots or colonialists.

The NHS may be under a lot of presure at present, but it doesn't stop ambulances turning up within 10 minutes ( personal experience over the last few weeks), getting hold of prescription medications or any of the other situations you blow out of proportion for effect.

Remember you came on here all guns blazing - what on earth did you expect in response?

You learn how to deal with them. At 4 I had one slither a foot in front of me and my mum yelled at me to stand still. You can betcha I was a statue !

The raw data figures for transwomen - the sample size, is really too small to draw any valid conclusions here. I followed the link and it refers to a total of 129 transwomen in jail, 76 of whom have been jailed for sex offences (compared with 13234 men in jail for sex offences in an overall prison population of 78781 men).

Any good data analyst would not be happy with drawing conclusions from such a small sample size, especially in the light of the major problems already noted with how trans status is recorded.

@Helleofabore yes I’m sure if you lived with them it would be like any other creature you grow up with and you’d learn how to deal with them. It is weird how just across the ditch there’s snakes but none in nz. Although they’ve found a couple recently and one expert said he wouldn’t be surprised if it became common.

Any good data analyst would not be happy with drawing conclusions from such a small sample size, especially in the light of the major problems already noted with how trans status is recorded.

I'd agree that with those sample sizes the error margins make it hard to say anything definitive about a difference between transwomen and general male offending rates.

But it's absolutely a sufficient sample size to be certain that the transwomen offending pattern is nothing like the female one. The gulf is huge.

And twist.

What an amazing group that can have their crimes discounted because ‘too small a sample set’, yet use the call to ignore the harm caused because ‘too small a sample’.

How about we accept that this is probably close to reality. Because just as there are trans people not declaring their status and how unclear that is, there is the very well known confounder that males who rape are rarely reported and even when they are the chances of the victim getting justice with a conviction is low.

It doesn’t matter how much you which to dispute it, these are males who commit sex crimes at the rate at least comparable to all other males. If you want to dispute that, well, let’s see you try.

You can blame us for the possums 😔.

This sums up a few posters on these threads

suggestionsplease1 said:

"The raw data figures for transwomen - the sample size, is really too small to draw any valid conclusions here. I followed the link and it refers to a total of 129 transwomen in jail, 76 of whom have been jailed for sex offences (compared with 13234 men in jail for sex offences in an overall prison population of 78781 men)."

The sample size is not small - it represents 100% of the transwomen in UK prisons at the time. The number is small because transwomen are a small minority of the general population.

Of course one can draw valid conclusions from such figures, and indeed one must conclude that if a transwomen has scored a prison sentence, it is much more likely to be for a sexual offence than is the case for any other category of prisoner as defined by "gender".