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Boycott New Zealand

694 replies

Clymene · 26/03/2023 16:48

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

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Hepwo · 27/03/2023 10:05

Lidia Thorpe! What a hero, calling women who don't agree with her Nazis! Pathetic.

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:07

@suggestionsplease1 oh grow up, these are the rules of this forum! You can’t derail threads. I said, go to the other thread! Not stopping anything!

Hepwo · 27/03/2023 10:07

JamSandle · 27/03/2023 09:55

Just goes to show the rabid impact of social media globally.

The rabid impact of social media is that any one that people don't like is a Nazi.

It's so universal now anyone taking it at face value is a bit dim.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:09

Bananice · 27/03/2023 07:18

This isn't the 1940s: the UK can't get all colonial on us and tell us how to think. Someone called kiwis smug upthread: how bloody smug is it to tell us how to live in our country? We are free thinkers and will make up our own mind... and that mind resoundedly told Posey Parker to take her transphobic ideas and go home.

You forget that a decent proportion of us have lived in the UK and know exactly what it's like: I spent ten years there and was back last year. I doubt that many of you could say the same about New Zealand.

Telling us you're ahead of the curve over there and one day we'll wake up to what you're saying? Okay, coloniser 🙄

This is just playground stuff. Student politics.

MarshaBradyo · 27/03/2023 10:09

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:00

Violence against women worries me. I'm a feminist, always have been.

But I refuse to support a woman supported by the nazi and extreme right wing ideology in her campaign against "trans women" when she doesn't give a serious program against male violence. It's male violence that's killing women every day.

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But you’ve posted you’re ok with the protest which includes actions of violent males against women

So it seems contradictory

I don’t think you can be against violence if you say your for a protest which was violent and included a 70 year old woman punched repeatedly in the face

suggestionsplease1 · 27/03/2023 10:10

Let me help Posie Parker speak again

Here is the verbatim transcript from about 9.40 mins in on “The cowardice of women and the stupidity of the police

” We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men! We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it! We knew!

(At this point Posie Parker make entirely unevidenced claims about serial killers, sexual fetishes and autogynephiles.)

And now suddenly they are branded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

…........... Each and every woman that stands in my way - let me just tell you: You will be annihilated.”

Would posters here like to explain how this statement from Posie Parker is not prejudiced / bigoted?

Any why should New Zealand want someone like this speaking in their country?

The cowardice of women and the stupidity of the police #sussexpolice #letwomenspeak #standingfor…

This is the original #AdultHumanFemale channel and home of Kellie-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker.If you would like to help with Kellie-Jay's legal fees, you can u...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKvpwpfX7-g

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 10:10

Whaeanui · Today 09:50

Shall we get back to the topic of the thread...

I shall try. Lamb's not difficult, as I buy local, but I have drunk Oyster Bay and Branscot, which I'll be giving a miss for the foreseeable. My wife likes Anchor, so I'll get Aldi butter instead, looking for country of origin.

Are there any more big names to look out for?

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 10:10

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:03

A lot of ex British colonies tend to embrace radical gender ideology as a way of showing how supposedly " progressive" they are; sort of sticking two fingers up to the old enemy. That is why Scotland embraced such radical and extreme positions when it attempted to reform the GRR. That didn't go down to well.

But if you want to talk about colonisation then it would be interesting to consider what colonisation implies - and then measure the demands of trans activists against it:

Colonialism is a relationship between an indigenous (women) majority and a minority of foreign invaders ( males who identify as women). The fundamental decisions affecting the lives of the colonised people are made and implemented by the colonial rulers in pursuit of their own interests Rejecting cultural compromises with the colonised population, the colonisers are convinced of their own superiority and their ordained mandate to rule.

Colonialism also impacts upon indigenous language use, often forbidding the use of the native language and enforcing linguistic change.Being aware of importance of language and cultural domination, colonialists try to convey their beliefs through language as a cultural tool in an invisible and imperceptible way. ( Transwomen are women: uterus havers: birthing bodies).

Those colonisd are often forbidden to associate or to speak freely in public places under threat of punishment. Free association is controlled and suppressed.

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Males are the colonists, males are the Trojan horses, it's all backwards.

I noticed in America and Ireland too they dint want to listen to TERF Island.

It's very sad for women and children that all the weird critical theories going around, nobody can critique that make them such male supremacy, make sexual rights activists, got to feel second hand embarrassed for them, they are so paranoid about NAZIs, do they understand the history of Akton T4, experiments on the disabled- the mirror of puberty blockers?

Maybe we should export some tin foil, they can make some colony 👑 for themselves, the new king, just like the old King only he calls himself a Queen.

suggestionsplease1 · 27/03/2023 10:11

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:07

@suggestionsplease1 oh grow up, these are the rules of this forum! You can’t derail threads. I said, go to the other thread! Not stopping anything!

People are responding to your points.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:11

@NotHavingIt thank you for your post oj colonialism.

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:11

It's misogynistic police, courts and governments that with their inaction or corruption are killing women. It's very easy to deflect blame to trans women from the corrupt, misogynistic arseholes in charge of our institutions. Women have been involved in a battle, not with trans which are 0.56 of the population in the UK, but with a male establishment who never gave a crap about women and are now writing a new narrative for women to hate that 0.56 of their population instead of taking responsibility as the culprit.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:12

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 08:25

NZ has one of the highest rates of gang membership in the world:
By June 2021, there were 8,061 patched gang members on the Police Gang List, a 4,000 increase from 2016. By November 2022, the number of gang members on the Gang Harm Insight Centre's Gang List had risen to 8,357; the highest number ever recorded in New Zealand history.

A relative’s friend was shot and killed intervening in a gang member beating a woman in a carpark and my relative had to both witness it and provide witness in court. Against a gang.

My daughter stayed, and worked, in New Zealand about 10 years ago. She says that violent criminal biker gangs control prostitution rings.

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:12

It's misogynistic police, courts and governments that with their inaction or corruption are killing women.

Its MEN. Men are doing this. Males!

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/03/2023 10:12

Alondra · 27/03/2023 10:00

Violence against women worries me. I'm a feminist, always have been.

But I refuse to support a woman supported by the nazi and extreme right wing ideology in her campaign against "trans women" when she doesn't give a serious program against male violence. It's male violence that's killing women every day.

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So you oppose violence against women, unless you disagree with their views (or, more accurately, with a misrepresentation of their views)?

Just like most abusers, then? Most of them don’t go around assaulting women generally. Only the ones who ask for it.

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 10:12

And thanks for your informative posts, Whaeanui

coldmarchmorn · 27/03/2023 10:12

Bowlofporridge · 27/03/2023 01:56

NZ woman here. Currently feel very safe, thank you very much, as do all my female friends. Yes, we are urban, educated women, but from all sides of the political spectrum. Feel very proud that we stood by our transgender sisters, and can't help but laugh at how much this has caused the UK to froth: why are you so concerned about us? Focus on your own country, and the climate of fear in which you are living. We are absolutely fine, and proud to be leading the world in female rights again. Mumsnet does not represent the way the huge majority of my friends feel, and Posey Parker most definitely does not speak for me: the coloniser arrogance...

boycott away!

Leading the world in female rights...by taking rights from women and handing them to men?

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:13

I shall try. Lamb's not difficult, as I buy local, but I have drunk Oyster Bay and Branscot, which I'll be giving a miss for the foreseeable

I would always advise to buy local in any case, although wine is trickier! It’s a very long way to send food…

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 10:13

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 10:10

Whaeanui · Today 09:50

Shall we get back to the topic of the thread...

I shall try. Lamb's not difficult, as I buy local, but I have drunk Oyster Bay and Branscot, which I'll be giving a miss for the foreseeable. My wife likes Anchor, so I'll get Aldi butter instead, looking for country of origin.

Are there any more big names to look out for?

UK farmers deserve our support, New Zealand can support their farmers.

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2023 10:15

I can't afford British wine, it tends to be Italian, South American, Spanish etc in our house.

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:15

My pakeha side are all farmers and Dad says they’re doing well, very well and it’s not farmers I should worry about, it’s the people living in cars and women being abused 👍🏾 that’s what he told me just now

SwordToFlamethrower · 27/03/2023 10:16

KJK just uploaded this video. She is back safe in the UK, talking about her experiences in NZ

slowquickstep · 27/03/2023 10:18

PriOn1 · 27/03/2023 05:41

”We still very much have single sex spaces and those aren't going anywhere. There have been expansions to make some spaces more inclusive. But we can still find women only spaces, all over the place.”

Single sex women’s spaces would be spaces only used by the female sex. If men who claim they are women are entitled to use them, then no, you do not have single sex spaces. They are now mixed sex, albeit with only a few men.

What are these expansions you mention @hazeleyednerd

I suspect you have the same as I have in Norway: mixed sex spaces that are largely still used by women, with the number of men using them still being so small that it is largely invisible. Which means the majority of women won’t even notice.

Unfortunately, for those who do notice, for example the Norwegian woman who found a fully intact naked man in the communal “women’s” changing room she was using, the situation is pretty unpleasant as such women no longer have the right to remove these men.

Of course, the worst affected women are those with the least power. Women who have been affected by domestic abuse can no longer access women’s refuges that are guaranteed free of men. Raped women can no longer be guaranteed help in a women-only environment. And women in prison might find themselves interacting daily with male people, including in the showers. Those women, some of the most vulnerable, who have often been abused by men outside prison are now incarcerated with men, including rapists and murderers.

So if you accept that men who claim they are women, are actually women, and should have access to all women’s spaces, then that is what you are supporting. It might be largely invisible to you, but there will be women less fortunate than you, whose lives will be profoundly affected. My life has been unaffected so far, but I cannot support the legal changes that have been made.

The most sensible level headed post on the subject i have ever read.

NotHavingIt · 27/03/2023 10:19

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You've no idea " what she preaches"...because you violently prevented all of those women who had gathered to speak from doing so. " Let women speak" is meant to be a platform for women to talk about their experiences as women.

TommyNever · 27/03/2023 10:20

Can't think of anything from New Zealand that I currently buy, but I'm in Australia anyway which is just as misogynistic a society.

But so is UK really. Women's speaking events are routinely disprupted by TRA/MRAs over there too, as is frequently reported in MN.

The UK government is not quite so anti-women but that will likely change if Labour get back in. If the UK could actually justify a "holier than thou" attitude I'd support a boycott, but gender critical feminists are almost as reviled there as in New Zealand.

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