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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shocking scenes in Auckland, TRA pours liquid on KJK

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JacquelinePot · 25/03/2023 09:59

I'm not even sure what to say about this, I just find it really shocking.

Baying mobs surrounded the intended event, one got onto the podium and poured red liquid all over KJK and KJK had to be removed amidst a huge crush.

I hope everyone is OK.

Watch: Anti-trans activist aborts Auckland rally amid counter-protesters | nzherald.co.nz

Thousands of counter-protesters see British anti-trans activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull abort her central Auckland rally. Full story: https://bit.ly/3FQx6xa...

https://youtu.be/NQtHwBAdunA

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Ourladycheesusedatum · 25/03/2023 12:33

begoneday · 25/03/2023 11:53

It’s easy to feel so strongly about a topic if you have no skin in the game. When they become functioning tax paying adults and perhaps have daughters who are pushed out of sports and other areas of life by trans women , they may think more deeply about the whole topic.

Agreed, but when? If they are all 20plus years old now, dont have any children for another 10 yrs, the children grow up and are excluded from sports etc, that's up to 30 years before one of these people has an epiphany. That's a bloody long time, all the women who will be hurt in the meantime because people cannot see. I despair some days.

SapphosRock · 25/03/2023 12:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/03/2023 12:26

no women, no matter how poisonous they are were responsible for the behaviour of the men in New Zealand last night

I agree.

Thirded.

RealityFan · 25/03/2023 12:38

What's happening here? Do things really have to get worse before they can get better? You could have put Sebastian Coe and Hilary Cass in front of that crowd explaining IOC decision and report on Tavistock, and the crowd would have been down their throats and the local joke of an unbiased media would have declared them anti-trans. And anyone calling KJK a Nazi or Pound Shop Trumpista, just listen to what she said to camera in her car before the event, her deep sadness and incredulity, and the look of sheer panic and fear in her face when she realised it was all going crazy. That's not the face of a genocidal maniac or politico type looking to feed off the negative energy of a mob.

What's happening here? A crowd of young idealists, younger and older handmaidens, and old warped autogynephiles, so drunk on their own self importance, bent out of shape by lockdowns, dependent on the state to hold their hands, both risk averse AND over demanding, infantilised by the messaging on TWAW, to the point of sheer nervous breakdown over a woman simply giving a platform to women who know what sex classes mean and what it means to transgress them, and saying it won't happen on their watch.
I'm afraid it'll get worse before it gets better.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 12:48

I’m sure a lot of you know who the science of sport guy Ross Tucker is? I’ve seen him being called a Nazi by TRA’s before. The difference is, the media didn’t pick that up and print it relentlessly in order to cancel him. Because of who he is, that would really cost them.

2bazookas · 25/03/2023 12:49

Nimbostratus100 · *.I have no idea who this person is, or what this dispute is about.

Unbloodybelievable! I suggest you wake up/ come out from underneath that rock/ get your head out the sand, and just.... LOOK IT UP.

Because right where you live, this person's issue is mine, yours, everyone's. It has and will affect your life, your family and your childrens future. We don't have a choice; it's happening all around us.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 25/03/2023 12:51

Trans rights activists who do this sort of thing are terrorists. I don’t understand why they aren’t on extremist watch lists. Some of them seem to be completely unhinged.

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 12:53

Me too. I will also be at Speakers Corner in London, having never attended one one the Let Women Speak events up to now. I don't really have anyone to go with as I am not openly GC due to a sensitive family situation and wouldn't take my own DC who are you g teens, so if anyone wants company and strength in number please do PM me and let me know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/03/2023 13:02

RealityFan · 25/03/2023 12:38

What's happening here? Do things really have to get worse before they can get better? You could have put Sebastian Coe and Hilary Cass in front of that crowd explaining IOC decision and report on Tavistock, and the crowd would have been down their throats and the local joke of an unbiased media would have declared them anti-trans. And anyone calling KJK a Nazi or Pound Shop Trumpista, just listen to what she said to camera in her car before the event, her deep sadness and incredulity, and the look of sheer panic and fear in her face when she realised it was all going crazy. That's not the face of a genocidal maniac or politico type looking to feed off the negative energy of a mob.

What's happening here? A crowd of young idealists, younger and older handmaidens, and old warped autogynephiles, so drunk on their own self importance, bent out of shape by lockdowns, dependent on the state to hold their hands, both risk averse AND over demanding, infantilised by the messaging on TWAW, to the point of sheer nervous breakdown over a woman simply giving a platform to women who know what sex classes mean and what it means to transgress them, and saying it won't happen on their watch.
I'm afraid it'll get worse before it gets better.

This. 100%. As I said on another thread, the same dirty tricks would have been used to smear any GC person, and the result would have been the same. TRAs make very little distinction between KJK and WPUK. They think we're all evil, because we're saying no. They think JK Rowling is evil because she tweets about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/03/2023 13:04

Yes I agree the media wouldn't smear people with a profile and platform quite so gleefully, as they may be sued. But it doesn't mean that the TRAs don't think of them in the same way.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 25/03/2023 13:07

2bazookas · 25/03/2023 12:49

Nimbostratus100 · *.I have no idea who this person is, or what this dispute is about.

Unbloodybelievable! I suggest you wake up/ come out from underneath that rock/ get your head out the sand, and just.... LOOK IT UP.

Because right where you live, this person's issue is mine, yours, everyone's. It has and will affect your life, your family and your childrens future. We don't have a choice; it's happening all around us.

This poster is living in lalaland when it comes to genderwoo.

Spent ages arguing that ‘Mx’ has been on passports for decades, despite passports not having any titles on them at all 🤷‍♀️

I agree with previous posters that women aren’t responsible for male violence (although women are ocassionally complicit in male violence, eg murder for hire).

Nonetheless there is undeniable safety in numbers, and some self-identified ‘feminists’ have been desperately trying to isolate KJK for years (eg starting threads on here that deliberately misrepresent KJ’s opinions and encouraging Mumsnetters to denounce KJ based on their disingenuous ‘evidence’).

Those of us who have resisted the bullying tactics and refused to denounce KJK have been smeared as ‘Farage Feminists’.

What other public campaigner has had liquid thrown over them? Oh yeah. Nigel Farage.

Soup is the new milkshake, innit?

Throwing a liquid over someone because you don’t like their opinions is always unacceptable, no matter how vehemently you disagree with that person’s views.

Has there ever been a politically motivated liquid throwing incidence that hasn’t come from ‘the left’?

flyingbuttress43 · 25/03/2023 13:09

Left wing feminists may decry KJK for the way she campaigns, for her no-prisoners-taken approach, but she is billboarding this cult like no left wing feminist has done. She is dragging it into the public domain in a way that the academic feminists, in the main, have not (one or two honourable exceptions of course).

When the public anger becomes apparent because of actions by people like her, the politicians will start to listen. We are seeing the first signs of it by that coward Starmer because he is being told by some on his own side that he has to get off the fence before the splinters in his arse get even more painful.

When we finally reach a tipping point, the gently-does-it academics can step in and work out the inevitable mealy mouthed compromise and go on to claim how their approach was right. But we all know that KJK has trampled the nettles down to smooth their path.

NancyDrawed · 25/03/2023 13:16

When we finally reach a tipping point, the gently-does-it academics can step in and work out the inevitable mealy mouthed compromise and go on to claim how their approach was right. But we all know that KJK has trampled the nettles down to smooth their path.

As do they

LittleFingerStrength · 25/03/2023 13:17

JkR often retreats KJK events, she never mentions KJK personally and I get the impression she's not mad about KJK yet can separate personal dislike from getting this job done.

LittleFingerStrength · 25/03/2023 13:19

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 25/03/2023 12:51

Trans rights activists who do this sort of thing are terrorists. I don’t understand why they aren’t on extremist watch lists. Some of them seem to be completely unhinged.

Yet that's what happened to KJK instead of them.
DARVO

LittleFingerStrength · 25/03/2023 13:21

NancyDrawed · 25/03/2023 13:16

When we finally reach a tipping point, the gently-does-it academics can step in and work out the inevitable mealy mouthed compromise and go on to claim how their approach was right. But we all know that KJK has trampled the nettles down to smooth their path.

As do they

Indeed

Mezmer · 25/03/2023 13:22

KJK is defending women’s rights, TRA’s are attacking them. The latter are the aggressors and that’s where the media focus should be and their heinous actions.

FrancescaContini · 25/03/2023 13:24

Christ. Terrifying. Poor woman.

KittyAlfred · 25/03/2023 13:25

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/03/2023 10:50

I don't understand why Beetle's post was deleted.
For anyone who didn't see it - it was kellie's latest tweet.

We all know who wants this thread turned into swiss cheese.
MrsMorton - I said that to my DH whilst watching the livestream last night.
I've half a mind to organise a coach load of people.

What did the tweet say and why was it deleted?

JacquelinePot · 25/03/2023 13:25

Any newcomers to this little corner of mumsnet, wondering who KJK is and why she has been subjected to such a deranged, aggressive outburst by the people in the footage in my op, I recommend watching these.

If lomg-form isn't for you, this brief appearance on Sky News will give a flavour. Dr Adrian Harrop had KJK's "woman, adult human female" billboard removed for being "transphobic"

Long form interviews with Triggernometry
3 years ago

1 year ago

4 months ago

Woman billboard was 'transphobic' and 'dangerous'

A giant poster quoting a Google dictionary definition of the word 'woman' has been removed from a wall in Liverpool.The poster read: “Woman, women, noun, adu...

https://youtu.be/y8nViKYmEhU

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PaterPower · 25/03/2023 13:27

The headline on the OPs original clip is indicative of the bias some parts of the media still cling on to.

She’s not “anti-trans” at all. She’s pro-safety-for-women and THAT’S what the tediously clickbait headline should read.

Turnipworkharder · 25/03/2023 13:33

Poor Kellie .... has the person who threw the liquid been arrested or can you do what you like in NZ ?

CosieRotton · 25/03/2023 13:35

So fucking disappointed in my home country and those people I know who are cheering this as a victory whilst euphemistically skirting over what actually went down. “Standing up” “firmly showing her the door”, nope it was naked violence and apparently VAW is now fine if you don’t like what they say.

I was planning on moving home in a few years but this might seriously make me reconsider, I don’t feel safe in a country where GC women are treated like that. And I don’t want my child being brainwashed.

Thesharkradar · 25/03/2023 13:38

Clymene · 25/03/2023 10:30

I suppose one good thing that has come out of this horror is that our resident misogynists are no longer pretending that they aren't. The pleasure they're taking in seeing women being assaulted and terrified by hordes of angry men is laid bare for all to see.

This, we can see the true and truly despicable colours

TommyNever · 25/03/2023 13:38

Somanysocks · 25/03/2023 12:32

KJK is the true meaning of stunning and brave, pouring sunlight and showing how much hatred the tras have for women and children to further their own ends.

They do themselves no favours exhibiting violent male pattern behaviour.

Except that the captured media are largely portraying this as anti-fascists fighting fascists.
Whether this speaking tour has actually been able to break through the smokescreen and help people understand what's really going on is debatable.

RealityFan · 25/03/2023 13:43

Kellie has done the most amazing thing. She's put herself out there, put herself on the line, to shine the disinfectant of light on this toxicity.
The story will have been all over Aussie and NZ media, indeed these hyenas were literally gagging over the violence shown towards her.
Girls and women all over those two countries (and beyond) will have seen her, and the firestorm that came her way, and maybe for the first time will have seen and heard the truth, and certainly now some or many will be questioning previous beliefs and allegiances.
This is the unique thing Kellie is achieving, absolutely exposing the cult for the spirit crushing fakery that it is.
She's laying thousands and thousands of acorns.
And what is the other great champion of women's rights, Ash Sarkar, doing as I text this?
Bitching on Twitter that Rosie Duffield has Liked a Tweet from Graham Linehan taking the Royal Piss out of trans lovey fave Suzzzeeee Izzard.
Yep, the contrast couldn't be sharper.

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