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Shocking scenes in Auckland, TRA pours liquid on KJK

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JacquelinePot · 25/03/2023 09:59

I'm not even sure what to say about this, I just find it really shocking.

Baying mobs surrounded the intended event, one got onto the podium and poured red liquid all over KJK and KJK had to be removed amidst a huge crush.

I hope everyone is OK.

Watch: Anti-trans activist aborts Auckland rally amid counter-protesters | nzherald.co.nz

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EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 08:26

JJ went for ‘past life regression’ hypnosis and believed he had been a gay man in a past life…. A bit of truth bubbling up from his unconscious in a horrendously controlled existence.

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 08:45

FOJN · 26/03/2023 22:42

As some of them played a role in laying the foundations of the far right/Nazi smear I should imagine they don't want to draw too much attention to themselves.

I'd actually rather anyone who preferred not to say anything, say nothing. After all, if they speak "too late" then it's posdibly against their will, they've felt pressured to do it. I don't want coerced speech for these women any more than I want us to be forced to call men she and her. If they prefer to stay quiet, let them. Sometimes that which is left unsaid is the most powerful statement.

WickedSerious · 27/03/2023 08:50

Clymene · 26/03/2023 22:47

Silly = willy!

'Silly waving arsehole' works too.

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 09:03

DemiColon · 27/03/2023 00:51

Why gay? Jazz was a pre-schooler when it all started, and it was the parents that were in the driving seat. There's no reason to think he'd be a gay man.

His parents believed he might be gay at 3. Ask them why

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 09:18

He was "diagnosed" at 3 years old. Is attracted to males and has only "dated" males AFAIK. If there's any attraction to females, it's not shown.

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 09:28

JJ is attracted to females as a young man, though he has no functioning penis or testicles so he can't have a full relationship or children.

FOJN · 27/03/2023 09:33

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 08:45

I'd actually rather anyone who preferred not to say anything, say nothing. After all, if they speak "too late" then it's posdibly against their will, they've felt pressured to do it. I don't want coerced speech for these women any more than I want us to be forced to call men she and her. If they prefer to stay quiet, let them. Sometimes that which is left unsaid is the most powerful statement.

I completely agree. I only wished they adopted the approach a sooner.

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 09:57

I guess one could hope that they've learned from their mistakes? Or assume they're cowards now the shit has hit the fan and its no longer an academic, on paper, battle.

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 10:03

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 09:28

JJ is attracted to females as a young man, though he has no functioning penis or testicles so he can't have a full relationship or children.

Poor kid has no functioning anything.

EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 10:08

Baldieheid · 27/03/2023 10:03

Poor kid has no functioning anything.

And you are right. He is a kid, even at 23 years old. He hasn’t been through puberty and physically become and adult in mind or body.

Boiledbeetle · 27/03/2023 10:28

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:08

Posie on Tslktv

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You can hear in KJKs voice when she's taking about it how scared she must have been.

I'm am glad she pointed out that the hand on her neck was her security though.

But mostly I'm glad she's actually in one piece and this hasn't broken her, just made her more determined.

Boiledbeetle · 27/03/2023 10:36

EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 10:08

And you are right. He is a kid, even at 23 years old. He hasn’t been through puberty and physically become and adult in mind or body.

Can't think why Jazz (who's been medicated for most of their life with hormones designed for the other sex, and had their under developed penis turned into a, by all accounts, bit of a mess with constant issues) has depression, anxiety and and eating disorder can you?

So much for living your best authentic version of you life.

Yes, Jazz may have grown up to be depressed, anxious and have other issues, but at least they'd be capable of sexual feelings and relationships with a functioning body. Regardless of which sex Jazz developed those feelings for.

I'm not fussed about sex these days but I can't imagine going through life knowing that as a teenager my parents and doctors had allowed me to be denied one of the most fulfilling (if done properly at least) things in life.

EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 10:38

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:08

Posie on Tslktv

Thank you so much for sharing this Whaenui. I’ll admit I’ve been quite teary this weekend- in a way I can’t fully explain. The whole thing. The injustice, the silencing, the bullying, the collusion of public servants and the media in NZ, the violence, the fear. I have been so upset and worried.

This interview was just the tonic I needed today. ❤️JHB ❤️ KJK. Thank goodness she’s safe.

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 10:41

EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 10:08

And you are right. He is a kid, even at 23 years old. He hasn’t been through puberty and physically become and adult in mind or body.

No wonder he doesn't want to be near men, he has a child's understanding of tge world and a body attractive to perverts and the poor lad will be exploited for his short life, every shark sniffing around and his gaslighting dictator family telling him the sky is green.

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:42

I wanted to tell you all that the group of Maori women that invited her felt very scared and embarrassed and full of guilt for inviting her when it turned out to be so dangerous but have been so comforted from the uk women here and online for all your support. They’ve had to rescue a member who was doxxed and search for the lady who got punched, someone had their foot broken too… but all your support is helping. They are distraught at being referred to as far right. Please keep the support coming and remember: Maori women invited her, they are committed rights activists and are NOT NAZIS.

LittleFingerStrength · 27/03/2023 10:45

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:42

I wanted to tell you all that the group of Maori women that invited her felt very scared and embarrassed and full of guilt for inviting her when it turned out to be so dangerous but have been so comforted from the uk women here and online for all your support. They’ve had to rescue a member who was doxxed and search for the lady who got punched, someone had their foot broken too… but all your support is helping. They are distraught at being referred to as far right. Please keep the support coming and remember: Maori women invited her, they are committed rights activists and are NOT NAZIS.

I would have like to hear what they had to say.

I am off to look at the UK news about our NHS instructed to quit Stonewall and the latest school Sex education situation.

Best wishes NZ! Maybe we can hear from the women one day.

Ohnohedident · 27/03/2023 10:55

L3ThirtySeven · 26/03/2023 15:03

I see intersex as on the border between male and female. So there are still two sexes, but intersex are on the line between the two.

I think intersex is a bit complicated as these are people assigned a sex at birth based usually on visual cues which can have the appearance of the opposite sex to what their chromosomes show. So a case can be made for intersex people learning which sex they are as they mature….and opting for medical treatment to nudge them off the line if they so wish.

As with any rule, there is always an exception. This doesn’t make sex not a binary. It’s a silly analogy but with sex there is male and female, with intersex on the border between the two. I visualise it like we have night and day, but dusk/dawn are on the border of night and day- they are a bit of both night and day. Doesn’t mean there is a third state of the planet as it rotates. It’s just a function of the fact that in nature there is always a blurred line between two states and intersex is that blurred line between two sexes.

Its incredibly offensive to people with DSD conditions to describe them as not the sex they are.
Would you describe a disabled person as 'on the boarder' of being a human?
Fuck off and educate yourself.

EndlessTea · 27/03/2023 10:55

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:42

I wanted to tell you all that the group of Maori women that invited her felt very scared and embarrassed and full of guilt for inviting her when it turned out to be so dangerous but have been so comforted from the uk women here and online for all your support. They’ve had to rescue a member who was doxxed and search for the lady who got punched, someone had their foot broken too… but all your support is helping. They are distraught at being referred to as far right. Please keep the support coming and remember: Maori women invited her, they are committed rights activists and are NOT NAZIS.

Thank you.

I am so glad that Maori women invited her and it went ahead, even through it came at a cost. No one would have known how bad things are in NZ otherwise.

NZ is obviously not a completely free country. Although the judiciary acted independently and had ruled there was no lawful reason to prevent KJK entering the country, the fact that the government, the police and the media are clearly all in bed with each other, colluding to throw her to the mob instead, was chilling to see.

We can see how hard it would be to have your voice heard in such a place.

Really eye-opening. And I hope the NZ authorities and media all feel embarrassed. Their mask has slipped, they are not the modern democracy they pretend to be.

Boiledbeetle · 27/03/2023 11:10

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:42

I wanted to tell you all that the group of Maori women that invited her felt very scared and embarrassed and full of guilt for inviting her when it turned out to be so dangerous but have been so comforted from the uk women here and online for all your support. They’ve had to rescue a member who was doxxed and search for the lady who got punched, someone had their foot broken too… but all your support is helping. They are distraught at being referred to as far right. Please keep the support coming and remember: Maori women invited her, they are committed rights activists and are NOT NAZIS.

Please pass this on

You wonderful wonderful strong brave magnificent kickass women. Every single one of you.

Don't waste your energy or emotions on feeling guilt, shame, or embarrassment because it is not yours to feel. You can rightly feel immensely proud of what you tried to do, of what you helped show the world this weekend.

You are all brave magnificent women who just wanted to stand up to talk, to be heard, and were still prepared to do that until the demented mob decided to terrorise you, break down barriers, and assault innocent women..

You did nothing wrong.

I am in awe of you.

Boiledbeetle x

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 11:11

Boiledbeetle · 27/03/2023 11:10

Please pass this on

You wonderful wonderful strong brave magnificent kickass women. Every single one of you.

Don't waste your energy or emotions on feeling guilt, shame, or embarrassment because it is not yours to feel. You can rightly feel immensely proud of what you tried to do, of what you helped show the world this weekend.

You are all brave magnificent women who just wanted to stand up to talk, to be heard, and were still prepared to do that until the demented mob decided to terrorise you, break down barriers, and assault innocent women..

You did nothing wrong.

I am in awe of you.

Boiledbeetle x

I’ve passed this on, thank you so much!

nilsmousehammer · 27/03/2023 11:14

I am waiting with interest for the 'you must denounce absolutely everything wrong before you say anything because otherwise you are impure and supporting it' to do some denouncing themselves. The violence would be a very good place to start, there's a number of other issues too.

Since apparently if you don't denounce it you're responsible for it.

<waits>

beastlyslumber · 27/03/2023 11:15

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:08

Posie on Tslktv

That interview made me cry. Hearing the emotion in KJK'S voice when she described being attacked. And how fucking brave and resolute she is.

JHB was fab and really supportive, too. She said the foreign secretary had responded - anyone know more about that?

It all just makes me so furious. All we are asking for is space. To be safe from violent males. The utterly deranged response from TRAs has exposed them to the world.

beastlyslumber · 27/03/2023 11:18

Whaeanui · 27/03/2023 10:42

I wanted to tell you all that the group of Maori women that invited her felt very scared and embarrassed and full of guilt for inviting her when it turned out to be so dangerous but have been so comforted from the uk women here and online for all your support. They’ve had to rescue a member who was doxxed and search for the lady who got punched, someone had their foot broken too… but all your support is helping. They are distraught at being referred to as far right. Please keep the support coming and remember: Maori women invited her, they are committed rights activists and are NOT NAZIS.

Please pass on our love and support and everything that Beetle said. You have nothing to be ashamed of, you brave and wonderful women. Your sisters everywhere will keep fighting. Stay strong.

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