Shocking scenes in Auckland, TRA pours liquid on KJK

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I'm not even sure what to say about this, I just find it really shocking.

Baying mobs surrounded the intended event, one got onto the podium and poured red liquid all over KJK and KJK had to be removed amidst a huge crush.

I hope everyone is OK.

If I can't change my race, you can't change your gender

That drag queen was pushed

im not saying he still didn’t do it on purpose cos i don’t know

An American POC journalist recently interviewed Rachel Dolezal, the most famous "trans race" grifter.
It was really instructive. As a black woman, she eviscerated Dolezal's insanity and narcissism in claiming black identity.
But she also believes TWAW and is apoplectic if you say otherwise.
You just can't make this poop up.

New Zealand is gearing up for a general election this year, and it seems as if the Jacinda Ardern years have led to a lot of disaffection with her brand of 'be kind' self righteous politics. New Zealand seems to be a bit of a presuure cooker at present.

I'm imagining that there has been no real debate or public discussion of the issues surrounding gender ideology as there has been more recently in the U.K, and the press there has not covered the issue in anything other than a ideologically controlled way - again, similar to the situation in Britain until a couple of years ago. KJK's arrival has come like a bombshell into a tinder dry fire pit as the press has wilfully misrepresented what she is all about - fanning the already intense flames.

Will there now be any more coverage of the issue in the New Zealand press, I wonder - as a result of what has happened.

Statement from Sex Matters and many others:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/let-women-speak-in-new-zealand/

Part of it:

"We call on the Secretary of State, on behalf of the UK government, to join us in supporting the brave women speaking up for women’s rights in New Zealand, and in condemning the violent protesters. We call on the Secretary of State to ask for an immediate meeting with the New Zealand High Commissioner to seek assurances on the matters of human rights and free speech in New Zealand.
We call on the UK government to engage with the government of New Zealand to demand to know why Kellie-Jay Keen was unable to speak in public and had to leave the country.
The UK government must ask New Zealand what it is doing to support freedom of expression and association in a free society, and in particular what action it will now take to protect the rights of women and girls to speak freely without fear of violence."

Full list:

Sex Matters
LGB Alliance
Fair Play for Women
Transgender Trend 
Safe Schools Alliance
For Women Scotland
Women’s Rights Network
Justice for Women
Conservatives for Women
Labour Women’s Declaration working group
Liberal Voice for Women
Lesbian Labour
Merched Cymru
LGB Alliance Cymru
Scottish Feminists Network 
Gay Men’s Network
Keep Prisons SingleSex
Fair Cop
Authentic Equity Alliance
Legal Feminist 
Bayswater Support Group
Free Speech Union

Crikey I've not read the whole thread but has everyone seen the footage of a woman in her 70s getting punched in the face so hard that her glasses fly off and she is left with an immediately swollen face. So glad there is footage. The police must do something about this type of behaviour surely.

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1639953362916442115

I hadn't spotted that @RufustheSpeculatingreindeer but I see it now; there was a lot of jostling, it looks utterly chaotic.

That said, if I was presented with this as evidence in a court case I would think it likely that the elbow out position was intentional. If pushed or falling, the reflex is to put one's hands out to save oneself, not one's elbows. Hopefully the police will follow it up and we will find out for sure through the process of their investigation. Although having seen the appalling performance of the police on the day, I don't hold out much hope.

I haven't seen that. That male needs to be in prison.

I will admit that I don't feel able to give gender identity "activists" the benefit of the doubt, at this point.

Do they know what they look like?

Great statement of solidarity.

You can tell who's on which side by their septum piercings..... a sure sign someone is not quite right in the head

I haven't seen that. That male needs to be in prison.

'Decking' old women is quite the trend.

No, youre not wrong there

Interestingly, the person who assaulted KJK with the tomato juice/soup was Eliana Rubashkyn and is a diagnosed intersex person.

“known for being the first intersex person assigned male at birth legally recognised as a woman with a UN mechanism under the international refugee statute. Born in Colombia, Rubashkyn was formerly stateless.”

”Rubashkyn was born in Colombia to a Ukrainian Jewish mother who had moved there in the 1970s.[7] She was assigned male at birth, but was born with an intersex condition known as Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliana_Rubashkyn

It doesn’t change or excuse the assault btw, just intersex is so rare. I don’t think I’ve heard of any activists regarding gender ideology that were intersex until now.

To those of you who say that sex is completely binary, how do you explain people who are intersex?
I randomly know two people who are 'intersex', one similar to the above activist, lots of complex surgery as a child.
I admit to knowing nothing about this, or the science of this in general.

There is no 'third sex'. Disorders of sexual development are specific to one sex or the other. The CAIS files is an excellent source of information about DSD's.

Reem Asalam:

twitter.com/unsrvaw/status/1639983229888233472?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"V. concerning that in last few weeks, physical, political + online violence has intensified against #women asserting sex-based needs +spaces in several countries. Even where one may disagree with their views,that shouldn’t translate into a green light to threaten and attack them"

PAIS isn’t one of the truly rare DSDs, it’s not one of the mismatched genotype/phenotype conditions, PAIS in real world terms just means an obviously baby boy who doesn’t virilise significantly at puberty.

Rubashkyn self describes as a former man in this CNN article - whereas someone with say, CAIS, would never be ‘a man’, they’d be recorded as female at birth and would
only discover male chromosomes at 16 or so
due to failure to menstruate.

To those of you who say that sex is completely binary, how do you explain people who are intersex?

There are males with a DSD.
There are females with a DSD.

Male. Female. 2. Binary.

Forgot the link.

As you can see, Rubashkyn is credited as the author of the piece, so it’s Rubashkyn’s own words.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/05/world/transgender-asylum-hong-kong/index.html

Symptoms of PAIS from Medlineplus.gov

I see intersex as on the border between male and female. So there are still two sexes, but intersex are on the line between the two.

I think intersex is a bit complicated as these are people assigned a sex at birth based usually on visual cues which can have the appearance of the opposite sex to what their chromosomes show. So a case can be made for intersex people learning which sex they are as they mature….and opting for medical treatment to nudge them off the line if they so wish.

As with any rule, there is always an exception. This doesn’t make sex not a binary. It’s a silly analogy but with sex there is male and female, with intersex on the border between the two. I visualise it like we have night and day, but dusk/dawn are on the border of night and day- they are a bit of both night and day. Doesn’t mean there is a third state of the planet as it rotates. It’s just a function of the fact that in nature there is always a blurred line between two states and intersex is that blurred line between two sexes.

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639817339196801024

Even though KJK cancelled her event in Wellington NZ, thousands still turned up to show support for transpeople.

So am I reading it right that this chart shows what puberty doesn’t do for some with PAIS? Because PAIS is anything between 2 and 5 per this chart and if Eliana went through puberty looking like figures 4 & 5, I can understand that they may not obviously be male looking or feeling.