Shocking scenes in Auckland, TRA pours liquid on KJK

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I'm not even sure what to say about this, I just find it really shocking.

Baying mobs surrounded the intended event, one got onto the podium and poured red liquid all over KJK and KJK had to be removed amidst a huge crush.

I hope everyone is OK.

@Boiledbeetle oh I am so with you when it comes to “menopause”. Ditto calling cross gender hormones “HRT”. And actually having had puerpural psychosis myself I have no truck with “postnatal depression” in male partners of women too (although I said that on a previous mumsnet thread which got pulled as my comment was reported for “ableism”). Sure a husband might get depressed during his wife’s postnatal period but I don’t believe that is postnatal depression, he has not experienced the hormonal swings and bodily changes and breastfeeding which generally trigger it, it’s simply depression to me.

Who really thinks that flashers aren't going to self ID as women to get easier access to girls now that it's ok to do so and women are too scared to challenge?

And of course, like Couzens, enabling these men leads to escalation. How many times do we need to see it played out?

I'm happy to put all the energy I currently put into protecting women and children to go into ensuring everywhere has third spaces. Funny how all the women so keen to share with male bodied people to make them feel better aren't out there campaigning for third spaces.

Seriously. Please choose someone else to try to get our sympathy and not that evil bastard.

That's what happened though. All the Brighton feminists sin page rubbish was quoted by an mp in Australia as a reason she was a dangerous Nazi bigot that had to be stopped.

She was interviewed about it, and it ramped up from there.

There's a direct link to them inciting violence.

They have a lot in common, so fair enough.

'I DON'T CARE. I don't give a flying fuck. It's not my problem to solve. Women are not the world's bloody mummies. You did this, not me. Fix it yourself. Hashtag allouttafucks

Spot on. Standing ovation from me

Terrifying. They're totally captured.
That could have been any type of fluid. Fucking hell.

I do worry about language and protected spaces, but I worry about transpeople too.

How do we genuinely tell the difference between ‘genuine’ transwomen who have sex dysphoria and those misogynistic men who just want to self identify as women because they have a fe*h.

So 51% of the population have to be made unsafe for this vanishingly small far less than 1% of transsexuals to feel slightly better about themselves? Fucks sake.

Women are excluding themselves and their children from public places because they aren't safe anymore with people like Dolatowski who attacked two children (so far) in 'women's' toilets.

here is someone who lived for many years 'as a woman', had surgery - and it would be horribly exclusive to deny them the dignity of being called a women.

Why do you think something happening for a long time makes it true? No man can "live as a woman" because to do so you need to be female.

If men want to call themselves women they can do but I don't have to play along.

If they've had surgery?

Autogynephilia, the philia the TRAs try to deny exists, whist a whole swathe of men post on line proving it very much does.

Also transsexuals who've had surgery and invaded women's spaces against many women's wishes for years without anyone except the women they encountered noticing can take up their loss of rights with the TRAs who made us all wake up. It's not on women.

From that, I can only conclude that you'd be happy to deny women, the female kind, those of us with vaginas and uteruses and breasts, the dignity of facilities free from those we easily recognise as male? Don't give me any of this pish about them not being obvious. Caitlyn Jenner has more money than God and clearly has spent a fortune looking the way they do, yet they are still, clearly, obviously male - and absolutely clear about that too.

Ha! Nope! Some of them not going to name names get their penis cut off as part of their fetish.

I would like someone to explain why third spaces are such an issue

female
male
mixed sex

id deffo use the mixed sex one if the queues were smaller

How would we be able to tell whether or not they've had surgery?

A guy I used to walk to school with has had surgery but he looks nothing like a woman.

That's a fair point!. I've had bits of me removed (illness not for any other reason) and clothed you'd never know. Unclothed its fairly obvious something's are missing

I feel so angry and insulted any time that mine and my daughters’ words are used to describe men.

In fact, I feel more insulted, the longer they’ve been doing it.

Doing something antisocial and wrong for a long time doesn’t make it right.

I say this as gently as possibly; what is the middle ground between humans can't change sex, men cannot become women, women need single sex spaces and any man who says he's a woman is one and all spaces meant for women must let him.in regardless of detriment to women?

If one man is allowed in a women's space, that space is now mixed sex and many women will not be able to use it.

Read some of the many threads here to see where this ends.

Look up Edinburgh or Brighton Rape Crisis. Isla Bryson or Karen White. Lookup Kiera Bell and the GIDS scandal.

If there is a middle ground, I cannot imagine what it could possibly be.

Nope, don’t bring surgery into it. It’s not something I would ever recommend to someone who felt distress in their body as the surgery risks are awful.

And having your penis removed doesn’t reduce physical strength, male aggression, height etc.

just look at what has happened to Jazz Jennings - and Jazz is now saying that after all this, Jazz still doesn’t feel happy.

What's the line?

When you include men you exclude women.

If you are basing any of your thinking on that tomato analogy, you may want to rethink it. Tomatoes, like bell peppers, cucumbers, green beans, squashes of every kind, avocados, aubergines, okra, olives, pea pods, and chilli peppers, have the botanical classification of berry. They are also classified as culinary vegetables and in legal cases where classification is necessary, for example related to tax status, are always classified as a vegetable. Other berries include peanuts and bananas but not strawberries. People who say tomatoes are fruits in order to make some sort of point, are people who understand a fraction of a situation but think they know it all.

Fruit and vegetable classification is not like sex classification. Not even one little bit. There are males humans and female humans and a small fraction of a percentage of humans with disorders of sexual development who are still either male or female.

They can stay out of women's spaces.

My DS, who is 16 years old, has a large group of friends. One has come out as gay, one has come out as lesbian and one has said (she) they are non-binary.

He had an interesting conversation with his non-binary friend recently. 'They' said they didn't see the problem with a trans woman using a women's/girls changing room.

DS said something along the lines of 'well, as you're non-binary, how come you don't come into the boys changing room? After all we've been your mates for seven years so you know that we accept whatever you are.' They said 'because I don't want to see your willies and I wouldn't feel safe with boys in the same room even if I knew them.' At which point DS went 'duh!' and they said 'OK, I see what you mean'!

But...the interesting thing here is that there are at least two 'trans girls' in DS's school, one of which is in his year and has been skirt wearing since year 8. Where does 'she' change for PE? Where does she go to the loo? In with the boys. Does 'she' get teased in the boys changing room or harassed in the boys loos? Nope. DS said in the past 'X has always worn a skirt. X is who X is. Why would we worry about 'him/her' being in with us? X has got a willie like me so it's the logical place to change'.

Now, if more young men thought like DS and his friends maybe there'd be a bit of hope in the future for everyone to feel safe.