Page 23 | They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 2023-03-22T09:01:53+00:00

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women. https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1638373051061633025?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 17:07

Or n+1?

OneMorePlant · 22/03/2023 17:13

nilsmousehammer · 22/03/2023 15:36

I got as far as page one and Mishy's utterly silly post, and am not reading any further so I apologise if I'm repeating what's already been said. But I am done with this ridiculous 'ooooh you hang out with Nazis, if you want equality for women you're a smelly Nazi genocidy something or other' childishness, I'm not engaging with it any further.

I am well aware from experience by now that those posters representing this ridiculousness are usually completely incapable of caring about anyone or anything or having any basic social interest beyond exactly what they want in the moment, but for the sane grown ups amongst us I will point out:

no one is fucking throwing live children into fires or conducting medical experiments on them and then hanging them on hooks
no one is locking entire villages in a public building and then burning it to the ground
no one is herding thousands of people a day off trains into gas chambers and then shovelling them into ovens for the crime of not being Aryan
no one is injecting people with mental illness and disabilities with poison

This is only a fucking handful of the atrocities that the Nazi movement did in the 1930s and 40. The Nazi movement ended in 1945. It was stamped out. What is left now, nearly 70 years later is a bunch of wanabees who like the uniform and as far as I can see have no coherent political position or aims beyond a bit of 'grrr, we're bad, we're evil, look at us' and the extent of their activities is largely poncing about quite liking the uniform and the image'.

They are not out to destroy non Aryans - fgs, Maya, Julie Bindel, many of the women leaders of the fight for equality of women's rights with the political demands of the TQ+ lobby would be the first in the concentration camp ovens regardless of anything else.

They are not there because 'Nazi hate LGBT+' - a lot of the women talking are the homosexuals the Nazis murdered on sight.

The Nazis had no fucks to give about women having rights, about child safeguarding, and they were passionately for medical experimentation and mutilation of children.

Every time this bullshit is weaponised it is nothing more than someone who knows fuck all about history, about the Third Reich, and who doesn't give a fuck for anyone who died at their hands. They are merely chucking around today's Big Word in the never ending, childish attempt to punish women for saying no.

You are weaponising the death of fucking millions for a silly political whine that women won't lie down and do what you say. It is bloody appalling. And you may not give a fuck about that, but I find that endlessly and multiply more disgusting than whether or not KJK happened to be in the vicinity of some flag flapping LARPer on a day out.

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Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 17:16

Helen Joyce; 'the specific people who are going to be most angry are those who have made irrevocable choices on the basis that the rest of us would go along with those choices. Most of all the parents who transitioned their own children. Because if you transition your own child, you are in effect, making a promise to that child that the whole world is going to step in line for the entire rest of that child's life, and now there's people like me, saying, actually that's not going to happen.... Those people are all in, they've bet the house, they've bet their lives on an ideology that we're now fighting back against - they're going to fight to the death on this.'

I don't think Nick McKim is speaking purely from misogyny. I think it's the terror of the guilt they will feel if their child ever regrets the irreversible changes they made.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 17:30

Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 17:16

Helen Joyce; 'the specific people who are going to be most angry are those who have made irrevocable choices on the basis that the rest of us would go along with those choices. Most of all the parents who transitioned their own children. Because if you transition your own child, you are in effect, making a promise to that child that the whole world is going to step in line for the entire rest of that child's life, and now there's people like me, saying, actually that's not going to happen.... Those people are all in, they've bet the house, they've bet their lives on an ideology that we're now fighting back against - they're going to fight to the death on this.'

I don't think Nick McKim is speaking purely from misogyny. I think it's the terror of the guilt they will feel if their child ever regrets the irreversible changes they made.

This sadly

it’s got to all be true, otherwise what have they done to their children?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 17:33

Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 17:16

Helen Joyce; 'the specific people who are going to be most angry are those who have made irrevocable choices on the basis that the rest of us would go along with those choices. Most of all the parents who transitioned their own children. Because if you transition your own child, you are in effect, making a promise to that child that the whole world is going to step in line for the entire rest of that child's life, and now there's people like me, saying, actually that's not going to happen.... Those people are all in, they've bet the house, they've bet their lives on an ideology that we're now fighting back against - they're going to fight to the death on this.'

I don't think Nick McKim is speaking purely from misogyny. I think it's the terror of the guilt they will feel if their child ever regrets the irreversible changes they made.

Yes, that rings true. But it is manifesting as misogyny, even if that isn't the primary driver. His wife made a hugely offensive comment about TERFS and the Holocaust. So I guess her deeply defensive reaction is manifesting as anti semitism.

beastlyslumber · 22/03/2023 17:40

Here's KJK's take on it all: https://www.youtube.com/live/fCy8wbxLH_o?feature=share

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/fCy8wbxLH_o?feature=share

Grammarnut · 22/03/2023 17:55

MishyJDI · 22/03/2023 09:14

Australians and Kiwis generally won't put up with the constant attacks on minorities like that which occurs in the UK. They have a fair go for all attitude. That is what you are seeing. Saying it is "misogyny" is lazy. Green politicians, women, also stood up to Posie as well. Was that misogyny or hand maidens?

Really proud of the aussies, and next it will be the kiwis saying that this sort of anti-trans rhetoric is not welcome there.

There is a difference between debate around areas of legitimate concern, with stats that show its an issue to be addressed, versus self promotion and stiring up communities.

When nazis turn up at your event, invited or not, expressing support for you, it really has to be a rotten cause.

This tour has been an own goal for KJK. Few turning up to support, (except the nazis!) many, many to oppose.

I think the politician comment is apt. It's against this form of non feminist protest (as PP says!) versus calm and legitimate conversations.

Thanks for the share.

Australians and NZders had better get their act together and realise that it's the women trying to protect women's rights who are 'on the right side of history' and this trans nonsense (as Dawkins calls it) is dangerous rubbish. They will. And will feel mightily ashamed of their patent misogyny.

nepeta · 22/03/2023 18:07

The reason the far right comes to these events is ultimately this:

There's what I call the Women's Country, which is the place all female people are 'assigned' at birth. In many places this country is the vassal state or colony of the Men's Country, though the exact amount of self-determination the Women's Country is allowed varies quite a bit.

But everywhere the far right wants it totally dominated and ruled by Men's Country, and this includes determining its constitution, determining how its citizenship is defined, deciding which history it is allowed to teach etc.

Now a new political movement (the gender identity ideology) has entered the fray, and it, too, wishes to colonise the Women's Country and to decide on its constitution, what determines citizenship in it, what language can be spoken inside it and so on.

There's a rebel movement within the Women's Country which wants to fight against these new colonists, and there's also a longer-standing opposition movement which fights against the old colonists, and these two movements overlap to a great extent. (There are also women who accept the idea of one or the other of the two invading forces as a good idea.)

When this rebel movement speaks against one or the other of the colonising movements, it's not a surprise that the other colonising movement pretends to be on the rebel side.

It is this, in the more fundamental sense, that causes the far right to turn up at KJKs events: They are not there because they agree with KJK, but because they strongly disagree with those who protest her.

Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 18:43

@ArabellaScott Yes, that rings true. But it is manifesting as misogyny, even if that isn't the primary driver. His wife made a hugely offensive comment about TERFS and the Holocaust. So I guess her deeply defensive reaction is manifesting as anti semitism.

I agree. KJK has said the absolutely worst thing to them that anyone could say; 'You have abused your child'. They are responding by saying the absolutely worst thing they can think of to her. In his case it is misogynistic. He is attacking her as a woman and comparing her to shit. For his partner, antisemitism is clearly the most horrendous insult she can fling, so that's what she's settled on. But their insults have no power because they are not true and because what she has said about them is true. Having just watched her video (thanks @beastlyslumber ) she is certainly not crying into her tea, but I certainly hope they are waking in the night in a cold sweat, wondering how they have got to a point where they have not only harmed their child but are standing on a public stage degrading themselves by making appalling, defamatory statements about a woman who stands up for the rights of women and children.

Igmum · 22/03/2023 19:02

JanesLittleGirl · 22/03/2023 10:46

So a Tasmanian politician calls TERFs turds and it's all KJK's fault?

Strictly speaking he called us terds. So it's a Tasmanian politician who cannot spell who called us terds and it's KJK's fault, HTH

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 19:41

dimorphism · 22/03/2023 13:42

Nail on head.

They don't actually oppose Nazi's at all, in fact they like them as they're a convenient tool to bash women some more.

Pure misogyny.

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I most certainly do oppose Nazis, always have, always will.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 19:43

Just for future reference, because I suspect that the 'nazis on your side' will keep being promulgated on threads.

The first nazi mention I found was at 4.05 minutes on a live feed where KJK arrived at 28.49 minutes. They were video'ed at 5.30 minutes. They were well in place by this time so already there.

The NSN, Neo nazis, moved to the middle of the street in front of Parliament House at 36.00 minutes. They didn't move to the stairs 'beside' the women's speaking until 50.48 minutes.

They were walked out by police at 1:06.00.

So, they were there longer than 60 minutes and were not corralled by police at all. Why not? Why did police judge this group to be not a threat? They are fucking Neo-nazis !

They were 'beside' the women for 15:12 minutes. So around 1/4 of the time that they were there.

To be generous, they were up closer to the women for 30 minutes. So less than half of their time if you want to get really ridiculous and declare in the middle of the road to be 'on the side' of the women.

Can fools stop repeating that they must be supporting women because they were near the women please.

RosaBonheur · 22/03/2023 19:44

MishyJDI · 22/03/2023 09:14

Australians and Kiwis generally won't put up with the constant attacks on minorities like that which occurs in the UK. They have a fair go for all attitude. That is what you are seeing. Saying it is "misogyny" is lazy. Green politicians, women, also stood up to Posie as well. Was that misogyny or hand maidens?

Really proud of the aussies, and next it will be the kiwis saying that this sort of anti-trans rhetoric is not welcome there.

There is a difference between debate around areas of legitimate concern, with stats that show its an issue to be addressed, versus self promotion and stiring up communities.

When nazis turn up at your event, invited or not, expressing support for you, it really has to be a rotten cause.

This tour has been an own goal for KJK. Few turning up to support, (except the nazis!) many, many to oppose.

I think the politician comment is apt. It's against this form of non feminist protest (as PP says!) versus calm and legitimate conversations.

Thanks for the share.

Trans women are (largely heterosexual) males.

Since when are heterosexual males an oppressed minority?

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 19:48

Also for future reference, that group of men, the National Socialist Network were never corralled off by themselves. Seriously, why? Why did Police allow this?

The woman were not surrounded by a protective barrier of police. The police instead were holding groups separately.

So, if this group of males who some are now known to be violent wanted to attack people, the women had NO defence. Even when these men were told to leave and left.

There was no extra line of police to form a corridor for them to walk between to protect the women or the trans protestors who were heavily engaged in trying to force their way through the police barrier.

The police left the women completely unprotected from this group as I saw no protective barrier around the women. That is a huge failure on the part of Victoria police.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 20:00

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 19:41

I most certainly do oppose Nazis, always have, always will.

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So any evidence yet to support your other claim that KJK shares the 'side' with the National Socialist Network?

Or do you think you have simply proven that you have fuck all evidence and that you have simply repeated the same fucked up trope that you seem to do a lot that you read from twitter and other parts of the internet that never quite stand up to any critical analysis?

LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 20:06

Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 17:16

Helen Joyce; 'the specific people who are going to be most angry are those who have made irrevocable choices on the basis that the rest of us would go along with those choices. Most of all the parents who transitioned their own children. Because if you transition your own child, you are in effect, making a promise to that child that the whole world is going to step in line for the entire rest of that child's life, and now there's people like me, saying, actually that's not going to happen.... Those people are all in, they've bet the house, they've bet their lives on an ideology that we're now fighting back against - they're going to fight to the death on this.'

I don't think Nick McKim is speaking purely from misogyny. I think it's the terror of the guilt they will feel if their child ever regrets the irreversible changes they made.

They should fight those who sold both parents and child the lie. They should trace back the ideology and who sold it, a politician, a Teacher a Dr, a lecturer at University and deal with these people?

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:12

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 14:53

Ahhh, more misrepresentation! Can you evidence any claims you make about me with quotes please. I don't really know what you are referring to as I don't spend hours of my life here, unlike others.

Feel free, anyone, to go back through any of my posts to evidence claims you are making about me.

How do you think harms to minority groups start?

It's not with a machine gun.

It's with charismatic speakers capitalising on some of the baser sentiments and appetites that we are all capable of having.

It's with the exploitation of the social and economic circumstances that give rise to a willingness to direct anger and resentment to an easy and vulnerable scapegoat, rather than the structures and systems that are actually causal in people's unhappiness, but which people feel impotent against.

It's with the gradual erosion of values people once believed in through the convincing rhetoric of people who can justify harm to an outgroup under the guise of protecting an ingroup. It's the normalising of those new attitudes in society.

That's where the harms start. And it is good to tackle harms before they escalate.

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This.
All of what you said about minority groups.
Well said

FOJN · 22/03/2023 20:12

Has this been posted yet? What is it about Greens the world over, why are there are so many unsavoury (would hate to be "untoward") characters in their ranks?

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-10/greens-candidate-jonathan-doig-chaged-with-child-sex-offences/12338828

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:16

So any evidence yet to support your other claim that KJK shares the 'side' with the National Socialist Network?
The Nazis do share the same viewpoint though against trans people.
Are you seriously saying that they don't, and that they're fine and dandy with trans women in female toilets, that they're fine with rights for trans people?
How can you say that with presumably a straight face?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 20:20

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:12

This.
All of what you said about minority groups.
Well said

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women wanting to use the bogs without a man present isn't 'harm to a minority group'

men aren't a minority group you silly sausage!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 20:23

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:16

So any evidence yet to support your other claim that KJK shares the 'side' with the National Socialist Network?
The Nazis do share the same viewpoint though against trans people.
Are you seriously saying that they don't, and that they're fine and dandy with trans women in female toilets, that they're fine with rights for trans people?
How can you say that with presumably a straight face?

you're all shades of silly tonight, aren't you!

two people who both understand that humans can't change sex aren't necessarily on the same side

i expect these unpleasant men couldn't give two shits about the safety and dignity of women and girls, where it's clearly KJK's primary motivation

FOJN · 22/03/2023 20:27

The Nazis do share the same viewpoint though against trans people.

The Nazis also share the TRA's attitude to women.

Happylittlechicken · 22/03/2023 20:27

So by your logic, anybody who is a vegetarian is also,a Nazi as hitler was a vegetarian, and anyone who uses the word cis is a pedophile apologist as that word was coined by a pedophile apologist. Also anyone who supports gender ideology, as one of the main proponents of gender ideology was John Momey, another pedophile apologist.

RosaBonheur · 22/03/2023 20:28

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:16

So any evidence yet to support your other claim that KJK shares the 'side' with the National Socialist Network?
The Nazis do share the same viewpoint though against trans people.
Are you seriously saying that they don't, and that they're fine and dandy with trans women in female toilets, that they're fine with rights for trans people?
How can you say that with presumably a straight face?

Why should anyone be "fine and dandy" with males - regardless of how they believe they identify - in the women's toilets?

Are we supposed to oppose everything Nazis believe, just because they believe it? Because I daresay they believe in gravity.

Clymene · 22/03/2023 20:28

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 20:16

So any evidence yet to support your other claim that KJK shares the 'side' with the National Socialist Network?
The Nazis do share the same viewpoint though against trans people.
Are you seriously saying that they don't, and that they're fine and dandy with trans women in female toilets, that they're fine with rights for trans people?
How can you say that with presumably a straight face?

Men with cocks. The world's biggest group of oppressed people 🙄