Starmer: “Gender recognition will not be one of the priorities of the incoming government.”

[Rainbowshit]

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-snp-lurched-29479637?utm_source=app

He also appeared to aim a dig at MSPs who passed the legislation: “What’s happened in Scotland is a reminder that if you want change, you have to carry the public with you.”
He also said: “Gender recognition will not be one of the priorities of the incoming government.”

Interesting. Are they finally beginning to read the room...?

A problem I have with kier is talks from both sides of his mouth on almost every issue. He is a weather vane imo.
also “ incoming government “?!
he’s getting very ahead of himself

Same, although in my area if the Tories shaved a chimp and put it in a suit they'd still win, so it doesn't make any difference really.

He's talking and thinking like a politician; a politician who has to have one eye on the main chance, whilst keeping other more contentious agendas well hidden and free from scrutiny.

I think many people are looking for justifications to vote Labour; hoping they don't really mean what they say when they say they are committed to Gender Self Id.

Must admit, it's made me smile to see the TRA lobby at the wrong end of an 'After the revolution, love' argument. Welcome to our world.

There is that

I can't vote for the Tories and to be honest it would make no difference in my constituency if I did vote for Labour or any other party. However gender woo has made leaps and bounds under this government because education, the civil service, NHS and police, to name a few have been Stonewalled. I know that there does seem to be a push-back and Rishi has uttered a few platitudes but nothing seems to actually be being done. Government ministers come and go but the civil servants are the ones really pushing this. You only have to look at the document issued by the EIS in Scotland which is discussed on another thread.

Most universities also seem to be captured and they are educating the people who will have senior positions in those organisations in the future.

I hate to be negative as I know that the majority of people in this country do understand biological sex but I have a nasty feeling that if Labour were in power the only difference would be the speed at which gender ideology was pushed on us.

Good spot.

And he’s also deploying “look over here!” tactics, claiming he knows the real reason why SNP pushed through the GRR bill at top speed, and the real reason why the Tories blocked it, so he can draw attention to two areas (independence; culture wars) where he thinks Labour has positions which will help them elicit public support. Unlike the Labour Party’s trans policy under which: support for self-ID + TWAW = convicted rapists’ right to be housed in women’s prisons. He knows perfectly well that public support for TWAW collapses when they find out it means rapists in women’s prisons. So no way he’s going to be engaging in a compare and contrast discussion of Labour’s trans policy v. the SNP’s trans policy, as the two are identical. Not when he can talk about the culture wars as if that’s something only the Tories are engaged in. Hilarious. You couldn’t get more culture wars than going on TV and proclaiming that “only women have a cervix” is something that shouldn’t be said.

“ incoming government “?! he’s getting very ahead of himself

I sometimes suspect that Keir tends toward the kind of over the top, US-style political campaigning that Ed Miliband favoured. It's very common in US politics for the candidates, parties, and supporters to talk as if they/their candidate had already been elected. Ladieez and gentlemen (and other genders), please welcome .... 💥💥🇺🇸 The Next President of the United States of America! 💥💥🇺🇸

I'll never forget that 2015 Leaders Debate where Cameron and Clegg were being all coalitiony and the SNP, Plaid, and Greens leaders were almost hugging each other, and Ed insisted he didn't need any allies because Labour were going to win a landslide and introduce all of their policies with no constraints. Then he stared wild-eyed into the camera and basically asked voters to elect me as your next Prime Minister!!! It turned out he'd hired the same Chicago-based PR company used by Obama.

I hope there's not going to be a Kier Stone. 🪦

I just thought that with all the bad legislation to repeal and all the other issues, it will go to the back of the queue.

I don't have an issue with that if he prioritises the things I consider most important if he wins the election.

I sometimes suspect that Keir tends toward the kind of over the top, US-style political campaigning that Ed Miliband favoured.

I think Ed M was ahead in polls at one point but lost. I’m not sure he expected defeat.

It's like a unionist version of "Wheesht for Indy!!!!"

I love this observation

Out of interest, not being provocative, but what would you say your priorities are; and how much, if at all, would you say that Issues around Gender/Queer Theory etc concern you?

Would you consider Self Id is the price to pay if it means some of your other main priorities are achieved?

While I expect the GRR made NS look a bit of a tit, it wasn't that that pushed her.

I would keep an eye on current police investigations.

Bollocks.

He's just trying to cover his own back.

No doubt all the backroom, private meetings and wealthy male fetishists and misogynists with large donations will still be pushing queer theory.

I'm also very much looking forward to seeing Labour activists telling the TRA lobby that it's very selfish of them to prioritise their own needs when there are tmore pressing priorities.

I mean they will be telling them that..... won't they?

However gender woo has made leaps and bounds under this government because education, the civil service, NHS and police, to name a few have been Stonewalled. I know that there does seem to be a push-back and Rishi has uttered a few platitudes but nothing seems to actually be being done

I agree. The Tories have been in a position to stop it and haven't. I'm don't get why people keep saying they know what a woman is as if this means they will actually protect women's rights. It doesn't.

Starmer doing his best to stay on an even keel.

Not provocative at all.

I think addressing the economy and social inequality are important. I think we need to look at how the National Health functions and have a continuing and functional plan for social care. I'm really not interested in the gender equality stuff in comparison.

Oh, and sorry, I didn't answer your last question. I don't see how self ID impacts on those other matters, apart from taking up unnecessary time and resources.

This is true.

There are a few differences:

Women MPs in the Tories who have stood up on this issue have not been subject to the vitriol and abuse that Labour women MPs have. Compare Rosie Duffield's treatment with that of Miriam Cates'.

Kemi Badenoch is in the WESC, so would seem to be well placed to take positive action. However, Caroline Nokes seems to cancel that out.

We still need the EHRC to step up.

We need them to table a debate in the HoC to discuss these issues. They're not going to go away.

We just winnae wheesht, I'm afraid.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

And while you're there:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4688427-repeal-the-gra

The Tories will say anything at this point as they are desperate to pretend they care, in reality it is likely to be more lies. As usual.

Neither party seem to a want to address the fact that problems have arisen because of the laws in place at the moment.

Sunak thinks that saying he knows what a woman is will solve anything, starmer thinks ignoring everything he said 5 minutes ago will help.

We dont usually put one issue aside because another is more important - ive never heard anyone say we have to lower waiting lists before we can begin to look at climate change.

So any political who isnt looking at the effects of laws on the saftey of women and children is someone who doesnt want to look at the situation.