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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Graham Linehan interview in The Times (17 March 2023)

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IwantToRetire · 17/03/2023 01:42

From both ends of the trans debate, I am told his interventions are “counterproductive”, “a net bad” and “unhinged”. Some gender-critical women — that is, women who agree with him — believe he craves attention, martyrdom and leadership of a movement whose fight is not even his. One mentions that he was once pro-porn and sex work, which he admits to being before “talking to feminists” changed his mind. Over on the other side of the battle lines, an activist dismisses him as a fringe character full of hot air. None of these people is prepared, however, to go on the record, mostly saying they fear he will retaliate in his customary style.

There is one admirable exception. She is Kathleen Stock, the radical feminist philosopher who resigned from the University of Sussex in 2021 after a campaign by “queer, trans and non-binary” students who wanted her fired. “Graham and I have clashed in the past,” she says, “and we probably aren’t each other’s favourite people. But I think it’s fair to say he’s genuinely committed to fighting what he believes is a woman-harming and child-harming ideology (and I agree with him on that); and he talks to some demographics — particularly ordinary blokes, who don’t really care so much about niceties of language and aren’t put off by his sometimes bludgeoning style — that others don’t necessarily reach.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/broke-shunned-and-cancelled-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-and-the-trans-debate-cgv8gqpjk

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Bellaisoneluckywoman · 18/03/2023 15:14

Just seen (on Twitter) that the Times have deleted Glinner's comments under the Times interview. With HIM. About cancel-culture. Apparently they 'violated their policy'.

You really couldn't make it up. Almost funny if you have a thing for really dark, sick, Orwellian gags.

What a world we're living in.......

IwantToRetire · 18/03/2023 20:06

Is seems the comments have been re-instated mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1637104056899444736

He is a middle class Dubliner who has lived in England since the Mr Blobby era. Doesn't particularly identify as Irish , it's just what he is.

Exactly, no more than identifying as a woman. But when a dominant group, whether English racism towards Irish people, or men's discrimination and violence against women, responds on that basis it is irrelevant what you identify as.

It is the actions of the dominant group based on their perceptions that influence decisions.

eg being middle class, or even a sucessful athlete, doesn't stop the police from treating people of African or Afro Caribbean heritage as being suspicious just for being that.

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Writer could have saved the project by walking away

The online paper Chortle has reported on this article and basically implied that Linehan has been incredible selfish for not agreeing to take his name off the Father Ted project.

Only confirming what the interview revealed that people put their careers above loyalty and respect for other people's work.

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ScrollingLeaves · 18/03/2023 21:58

I have a high regard for him.

anyolddinosaur · 19/03/2023 08:17

A reminder that more gardening is still needed. Googling "I'm being sued by another trans rights activist" will find a garden that is growing well but not quite there yet. I've contributed. Whether it's £1 or £100 please give what you can.

Sunnava · 19/03/2023 09:09

Thank you, I have donated as well and then publicised the call elsewhere. I have never-ending respect for Graham.

Sunnava · 19/03/2023 11:24

Bumping this again because Graham could use some help with the last bit of gardening. You can find the details on the first place of his Twitter account.

WildishBambino · 19/03/2023 11:51

I don't think I've ever seen an Andrew Billen interview in which he isn't sneery about his subject. He thinks he's everyone's intellectual superior and makes sure the reader knows it.

Love Glinner and have gardened for him this month.

ScribblingPixie · 19/03/2023 12:01

I saw Andrew Billen on Twitter saying he was aiming for 'fairness' and he commented under his own article thanking people for all comments whatever their views. He's obviously nervous about repercussions to himself.

Abhannmor · 19/03/2023 12:01

I will do some digging today.

@IwantToRetire Yes , doesn't Marx say ' the ruling ideology is the ideology of the dominant class' at any given time?

As for identity , you might not walk about thinking ' I'm a Black Londoner ' or ' I'm a South Asian Muslim ' but all the attendant stereotypes will still be projected onto you . Perhaps unconsciously?

ScrollingLeaves · 19/03/2023 12:15

Sunnava · Today 11:24
Bumping this again because Graham could use some help with the last bit of gardening. You can find the details on the first place of his Twitter account

anyolddinosaur · Today 08:17
A reminder that more gardening is still needed. Googling "I'm being sued by another trans rights activist" will find a garden that is growing well but not quite there yet. I've contributed. Whether it's £1 or £100 please give what you can.

Thank you for letting everyone know. I have just done some digging on this spring day.

thatsgood · 19/03/2023 13:15

I respect Graham for standing firm on this issue but he comes across as a bit unhinged/obsessed. I don't think his intentions are wholly selfless - he is personally invested in being proven right on this issue as he believes trans rights activism is directly responsible for his personal life collapsing. So I'm not surprised he has such a tunnel vision. But I don't think it's healthy that he spends seemingly all of his time fixated on this. If you look at his internet activity since 2018 he has exclusively spoken about gender identity debate. It isn't healthy.

thatsgood · 19/03/2023 13:16

And as an active internet user he seems to tweet/post about this issue maybe every hour for what, 5 years?

beastlyslumber · 19/03/2023 14:07

@thatsgood Trans rights activism IS directly responsible for the damage to his career and personal life.

He's an excellent person who has fought hard for women and childrens rights.

Who are you? What have you done for us?

LexMitior · 19/03/2023 14:17

He was absolutely put through the wringer and professionally his own colleagues who had benefited from his talent were happy to do it. Much like Rowling, it seems that the creative arts has a lot of people who disrespect the writer who creates.

I hope he resurfaces - he is very funny, and his sitcoms are some of the best television ever made.

rabbitwoman · 19/03/2023 14:24

thatsgood · 19/03/2023 13:16

And as an active internet user he seems to tweet/post about this issue maybe every hour for what, 5 years?

His substack is his only source of regular income at present. He does not just tweet and rant about this issue - he investigates and correlates evidence, he provides analysis of legal, medical or political proceedings, and he provides a platform for others to publish on.

As a subscriber this is a service I am willing to pay for because I do not have the time or resources to do the research myself.

This isn't a hobby, or an obsessed, this is currently actually his job and I suppose in a way he is employed by thousands of subscribers - is that a healthier way of looking at it?

Bosky · 19/03/2023 14:33

thatsgood · 19/03/2023 13:16

And as an active internet user he seems to tweet/post about this issue maybe every hour for what, 5 years?

I don't think it's healthy that anyone spends seemingly all of their time fixated on stalking someone's internet activity for 5 years, slamming them and taking the piss out of what this has cost them personally, when they have exclusively spoken about women's rights and the protection of children. It isn't healthy.

In fact it's 100% misogynistic and creepy. Yes, misogynistic because Graham is taking flack from men's right's activists for standing up for women's rights. Hellish creepy as well to persecute and try to silence anyone concerned about children's safety.

You think that's a good look? On a Women's Rights Board on a Parenting Forum? 😂

These creeps hate Glinner so much because back in 2018 and 2019 so many people first got an inking that something weird was going on from following Glinner on Twitter just for the jokes and then wondering what he was going on about in his serious tweets.

Now they are linked up with a massive network of resources, publications, campaigns and organisations, as well as the news that you don't see in mainstream media, via his Substack:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/

These creeps would not be putting so much time, effort and money into trying shut him up if he wasn't making a difference. Same with the women they focus on. The jibes and slurs are cuttingly personal but this is 100% political propaganda, aiming to undermine their popularity with the public.

Anyway, What's that thingie to search for? Oh yeah!

"I'm being sued by another trans rights activist"

Six days to go and another 10K carrots need planting!
🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕

Rainonthehorizon · 19/03/2023 15:30

thatsgood · 19/03/2023 13:15

I respect Graham for standing firm on this issue but he comes across as a bit unhinged/obsessed. I don't think his intentions are wholly selfless - he is personally invested in being proven right on this issue as he believes trans rights activism is directly responsible for his personal life collapsing. So I'm not surprised he has such a tunnel vision. But I don't think it's healthy that he spends seemingly all of his time fixated on this. If you look at his internet activity since 2018 he has exclusively spoken about gender identity debate. It isn't healthy.

I’m as GC as they come but...

PriamFarrl · 19/03/2023 15:36

lifeturnsonadime · 17/03/2023 12:14

I think it's a sad article. Still implies that Glinner should STFU.

On another note, is Father Ted available on any streaming channel now? If not what a loss that is.

Ted is on Netflix, which GL gets money from, and Count Arthur Strong is now on BritBox.

PriamFarrl · 19/03/2023 15:49

PriamFarrl · 19/03/2023 15:36

Ted is on Netflix, which GL gets money from, and Count Arthur Strong is now on BritBox.

Sorry. It’s IT Crowd on Netflix. Ted in on All 4

Fallangie · 19/03/2023 16:11

This isn't a hobby, or an obsessed, this is currently actually his job and I suppose in a way he is employed by thousands of subscribers - is that a healthier way of looking at it?

A nicely paid job too, £90K a year just from Substack subscriptions.

beastlyslumber · 19/03/2023 16:13

Fallangie · 19/03/2023 16:11

This isn't a hobby, or an obsessed, this is currently actually his job and I suppose in a way he is employed by thousands of subscribers - is that a healthier way of looking at it?

A nicely paid job too, £90K a year just from Substack subscriptions.

Receipts?

Fallangie · 19/03/2023 16:44

beastlyslumber · 19/03/2023 16:13

Receipts?

3000x£30=£90,000

Graham Linehan interview in The Times (17 March 2023)
Graham Linehan interview in The Times (17 March 2023)
beastlyslumber · 19/03/2023 17:13

I don't think he gets all of that subscription fee - substack takes a substantial cut, I think. But good if he gets a living income from it. Hopefully he'll get closer to 6000 paid subscribers this year.

StephanieSuperpowers · 19/03/2023 17:24

He probably needs to pay tax too. I very much doubt this is a tax free income stream.

Rainonthehorizon · 19/03/2023 17:38

Plus, potentially payments to the regular contributers.

I don't quite understand why someone always pops up on the Glinner threads to point out he earns money from subscriptions.😮 It's not this amazing gotcha they seem to think it is. I'd be perfectly happy if he was earning £90k from substack subscriptions (which he won't be but hopefully subscribers will continue to increase as word spreads).

Glinner provides a service and collation of GC news which is available for free and you have the option to support his substack via subscription. Don't want to pay? Then don't. I'm sure those who subscribe have worked out some of their money will be going to Glinner when they enter their credit card details.

Helen Joyce will have made money off her excellent book Trans. Hannah Barnes will be earning money off Time to Think (available at all good bookstores and, occasionally, Waterstones 😉). All good, they've all worked hard to produce something people want to purchase and read.