Thoughts on Calvin Robinson?

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Long time lurker, stepping out the darkness to ask this.

Was asked today by a friend who knows I'm GC what my thoughts are on Calvin Robinson. Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!

I was shocked. He is anti abortion (in all cases), doesn't think same sex marriage should be legal, and isn't a feminist in any sense of the word.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think.

Lots of people have views about the unethical medical experimentation on children involved in this ideology.
Lots of people have views about women's rights to undress without random males being present.
Lots of people have views about the unfairness of mediocre male sportsmen taking women's places / medals / funding in sport.
And so on.

I am unable to police these people or to check who has the "correct" views on abortions, women's rights etc. I live in a democratic society and understand that this entails allowing others freedom of expression - even if i fundamentally disagree with them.

HTH.

We can't control what other people think or feel.

People of varying beliefs agree that sex is real and immutable but that doesn't mean we agree or endorse any of their other opinions.

I'm sure there are TRAs who have wildly differing views on things that don't relate to TWAW 🤷🏼‍♀️

Stalin probably thought water was wet. The 'you think the same thing as The Baddies so you're A Baddy too' trope gets chucked about a lot by TRAs. Ignore them.

Most of the world knows that humans don't change sex so that is an awful lot of people with a huge range of views to try and agree with 🤔

Hitler was a vegetarian.
Doesn't make him a nice person.
Doesn't make other vegetarians nazis.

Than you, @teawamutu, that's exactly the cartoon that came to my mind too.

Just because other people might have views on sex/gender that aligns with ours does not make them allies of feminism. It does not mean that they're the face of GC feminism or they've hijacked GC feminism, nor does it mean that GC feminists are right-wing, or funded by the Heritage Foundation, or "on the wrong side of history".

Critical thinking comes in handy here, something which MRAs, woo-woo thinkers and gender ideologues are clearly lacking.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think

Grow up for goodness sake. He understands that sex is binary. Woohoo! So does 99.9% of the planet and I guarantee that you will disagree with some of their views too. He is entitled to hold his views in the same way that you are but I am guessing that you disagree with his politics more than his religion and that this is one of those bizarre left wing purity spiral things. Laughable.

As far as I can see, he's a conservative Christian with all the views that tend to go along with that. See the red circle in the image I've attached. Most people here would be in the green circle so some views overlap, but most won't.
It's easy for TRAs to then accuse anyone GC of "aligning" with his other views because you agree on one view.
It's lazy thinking that is typical from that side of the debate.

Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!

He has stood up quite eloquently for feminists on a couple of occasions but he’s hardly the face of “GC views”. He just believes there are two sexes and you can’t change sex like 99% of rational people on the planet.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women.

Trans ideology may have more negative impact on women but it is also a free speech issue which is probably his primary focus. I don’t see why he shouldn’t have an opinion.

I'm guessing he also agrees that the earth isn't flat. Are you now going to declare that flat earthism is a fact because you are terrified of catching something by agreeing with him? 😂😂

"Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!"

Really? According to whom? Your ill informed friend? Or someone else that any of us should consider a thought leader?

"I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think."

I think that either you or your friend lack critical thinking.

"When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence."

Especially this part.

What part of understanding that 'biological sex is real', exactly, leads to discrimination and/or violence?

Can you tell us why you think that this is the case?

And I can just repeat what many others have.

Just because someone believes that others have the right to free speech and might agree on one aspect of life, doesn't mean they are 'part of a movement'.

You are using guilt by association here and it is such an obvious fallacy and tired old trope.

Well, you did ask us what we thought.

Long time lurker

Was asked today by a friend who knows I'm GC

I was shocked

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement

This is one of those “I’m as GC as they come” posts isn’t it? I feel like I fall for it every time.

And OP, the majority of the world agrees that sex is immutable. Do they all belong to a 'movement'? Or just all agree on a verifiable, scientifically proven and well established fact?

Calvin Robinson is the face of Calvin Robinson. A grifter and an utter prick.

Always interests me to wonder - if I went to, say r/transgender and started complaining that, as a trans person, Dylan Mulvaney makes us all look bad, would I be spotted instantly?

Is it that the TRAs write us off as a bunch of silly mummies (and aren't as smart as they think they are, either) or that tribal language is so encoded online that even a couple of sentences can reveal whether you're really steeped in the culture or not?

Yep, I think it is.

At least they're branching out from "being concerned" about KJK I suppose?

Yup, obvious and as tedious as hell.

I don't think about CR at all if that helps OP.

I don't think I'd ever heard of him before this thread, and I'm as GC as they come.

I don't agree with a lot of what Calvin R stands for, but I don't think that really matters.

They key word for me is 'co-belligerent': somebody you don't agree with most of the time, but who fights on the same side on a particular issue. Those sort of alliances are vital if a war is to be won.

I'm strongly gender critical, but am glad to have a whole load of people I disagree with on most issues taking a stand on gender (from the Communist Party of Great Britain to the Telegraph and American religious right).

We don't have to agree on everything to be grown-up and work together.

Well come on now ladies. Calvin IS a man, therefore the obvious choice as the "leader of our movement". Us silly mummies couldn't possibly lead it ourselves, best leave the important jobs to the men.🙄

Gosh some people really give the male of the species too much reverence.

😂😂
Sorry Signalbox - this just made me laugh.

Oh. yeah. you are right.

There are a few people who think of "GC" as simply being critical of gender ideology. From that perspective, lots of people are GC.

Similarly there is a whole swath of the population that believes in free movement of citizens, or that murder should be illegal, or in protection of private property, or liberal democratic principles.

It's actually a good thing when a lot of people agree on some basic ideas about reality. It makes society possible.

Yes. All of this.