Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 3.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

I think I've seen this before @Boiledbeetle rereading it though 🤔 the comments at the end. The parent seems to see themselves as some kind of martyr, 'I'm so saintly, such a special parent, having a trans child is so hard.' I don't hold out much hope for that kid. She might even have had her mastectomy by now.

Sal Grover commented on that tweet saying that, for an article claiming that sex isn't binary, they couldn't have chosen a more binary image if they'd tried.

Probably these things do float around for a long time. But I've wondered for a while how these kids that have to have liquid paracetamol as they can't swallow tablets, and go all squeamish at needles are ever going to be able to come to terms with the lifelong medication and possible further surgeries.

If my hypothetical kid was in that much distress over a medication they didn't need I'd just stop it and take them home.

This isn't coming from the children. It's the bloody parents pushing these children down this route.

Oh yeah! Hadn't focused on the image at all, but she's right.

I attempted to read the Twitter thread. Basically a stream of obfuscatory sciencified wordery for the masturbatory pseudo intellectual glorification of the hyper-privileged virtue-signalling Good People club. The TL:DR version of the thread is "Unfortunately I can't magic up a spectrum of gametes, so I'm going to say that because every person is different and unique, therefore this makes sex a spectrum of impossible-to-identify individuals." It'll be a source of sheer delight to TRSOHers, at least until they move their goalposts again.

Basically a stream of obfuscatory sciencified wordery for the masturbatory pseudo intellectual glorification of the hyper-privileged virtue-signalling

@Kucinghitam That is a glorious sentence.

So sad, reading that. That poor kid.

I fully believe that's the real problem - parents getting into it to show how tolerant and open minded and loving and involved they are rather than stepping back and letting kids go through a phase. How are kids who change their minds going to step back if their parents are creating a whole Super Parent identity around supporting transition?

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To me, I can't see how coercing a child into having a mastectomy like that is anything other than child abuse. Has she never sat and thought,

"Just a minute, let's put this on hold for a while, it's really distressing my child. Let's see how she feels in a while." ?

Yes, surely, absolutely that, Steph.

Re that fucked up excuse for a parent. On the one hand, I agree. I do think that parents like her are very much part of the problem. Seriously, if your child is so traumatised by the most simple medical intervention then you go back home and let them know that that's the easy bit and are they really sure they want to go through with a whole lot more. You don't agree with them that it's not fair because that's utter bullshit. But. There are far more parents, I think, that are so scared of alienating their children or scared that TRSOH police will report them for trying to convert their kids back to heteronormative life (I fucking hate the word heteronormative) that they go along with it despite hating every single minute of it and not wanting any of it to happen.

This is too batshit to not share, too messed up to be true.

I hope.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4n9BZOVbmsA?feature=share

That is truly batshit and the only suitable answer would be "fuck off".

"Why are you stalking my child?"

So many ways to fuck with her. I'd have been tempted to say that my child was born a boy but his first words were a full sentence, "I do not agree with the binary structures your generation has inflicted upon us. I have decided I am a girl and my name is Fifi." He said that at two weeks old.

😆

I if he had said the baby girl was ‘AMAB’ she would’ve declared the pink outfits stunning and brave!

it’s really fucking annoying that so many
people’s idea of ‘gender equality’ seems to be that boys who like make up and glittery costumes and dancing should be venerated and girls who like the exact same stuff should be derided.

Alright, I have the sense of humour of a five year old, but this made me laugh

And while I'm here, yes, @Kucinghitam that was a glorious critique.

My humour age is obviously the same age as Cakes!

That's hilarious!

I don't know if there has been a thread on this new women only apartment block?

Plans approved for Britain’s first women’s-only tower block | Social housing | The Guardian

I came across it via a Zoe Williams article - and I'm not sure what I think. I agree that gendered solutions to housing market failure aren't necessarily the right response to the problem. But honestly? I think I'd feel far more relaxed living alone in women's block than in a mixed block. When I think back to days of living in blocks of flats and shared hallways etc, it was always the presence of men that made them uncomfortable. I note that they've gone for TWAW but I'm more curious about whether this is something whether this idea would be popular among women. The terms and conditions are odd too - only single women may be tenants, no men allowed unless partners of women who were single when they signed the lease, no men may be leaseholders unless they inherit the lease from their mothers. All very unusual.

Thread. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4794878-first-ever-housing-only-for-women

OK - thanks @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn First page seems mostly concerned with the gender identity issue, which is understandable. But I'm also interested in how women feel about the idea in principle. Will go and read on.

Well, I'd love it. If widowed, I would definitely never remarry and would definitely choose a woman only commune, block of flats, boat, anything.

But woman only by biology. Basically, I'd love to live with fun lovin' terfs if god forbid, the time came.

Ditto!

Same here!