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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Humza Yousaf says trans rapist Isla Bryson should have right to self-identify as female

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IwantToRetire · 01/03/2023 00:25

The favourite to replace Nicola Sturgeon has said Isla Bryson should have the right to self-identify as female despite arguing that the transgender rapist is "at it".

Humza Yousaf argued that it would be unfair to oppose Ms Sturgeon's self-ID gender laws "because of one despicable individual" whom he said had tried to "manipulate" Scotland's prison system.

Although the laws have been blocked by the UK Government and have never been implemented, he argued this would be akin to "rolling back" transgender rights.

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

Pressed if the double rapist should be allowed to self-ID as female, he said: "Isla Bryson is, of course, a horrible, despicable individual but of course the law applies to people, everybody, without fear and without favour."

uk.news.yahoo.com/humza-yousaf-says-trans-rapist-202007031.html

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TheShellBeach · 01/03/2023 00:27

Ah well, I never wanted him to become FM anyway.

What an idiot he is. tying himself up in knots over a rapist who is trying to bend the rules to his own advantage.

Toseland · 01/03/2023 00:29

Honestly, who is paying all these people to say such rubbish?

Thelnebriati · 01/03/2023 00:30

This never happens but when it does happen its just one bad apple.

Eyerollcentral · 01/03/2023 00:33

This man is a half wit. Given the huge rise in teenagers expressing a desire to change gender, how could anyone sensible do away with the requirement for psychiatric assessment to move towards self id? It’s documented the majority of people who claim to be trans have other mental health problems too, quite aside from taking those cynical enough to pretend they believe they are trans for their own ends.

TrombonesAreNotBones · 01/03/2023 00:34

It is ALWAYS one bad apple, but they never remember that one bad apple spoils the barrel, eh.

IwantToRetire · 01/03/2023 00:35

Its is also the madness of having as law that rape is about men using the penis to abuse women. And then they talk about she is a rapist.

And I know people hate this being used, but there was a recent article about another white woman in the States who had been "identifying" as Black.

She has been exposed, and a lot of people are angry, because whatever she feels about her life, as a white person she has no understanding or shared experience of those who lives a blighted by racism.

But if you try and argue that it is the same as men who say they identify as female even thought they have never and will never have the experience of the sexism and male violence that women face because of their sex, you as said to be a reactionary.

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Precipice · 01/03/2023 00:36

"Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."" Well, maybe most of them don't (the 0.1% is extremely dubious - it's certainly not so low as that for males in general), but it doesn't follow that it's appropriate to allow them to change their legal sex.

In one way only, he's right and that's the quote you've pulled for the title: we can't stop anyone from 'identifying' however they want to. We don't have to pretend that that means anything. If the criminal we're talking about wants to identify as a woman, or a frog or as Napoleon, that's his 'right', although we may draw conclusions from that as to his mental state. It doesn't mean we should put him into the women's cells, into a pond, or imprison him on St. Helena instead.

MarshaMelrose · 01/03/2023 00:37

Is this why the SNP want them to do their leadership hustings behind closed doors? Because they don't want the public to hear how inept they are?

Eyerollcentral · 01/03/2023 00:39

MarshaMelrose · 01/03/2023 00:37

Is this why the SNP want them to do their leadership hustings behind closed doors? Because they don't want the public to hear how inept they are?

Yes.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/03/2023 00:42

I cannot believe he's the favourite.

The man utterly despises women.

Sugarfree23 · 01/03/2023 00:43

What a fudd! either that or he's trying to rule himself out the race.

Isla pulled Queen Nic of her perch. Yousaf isn't going to climb on with the same nonsense.

Go Kate we could sure do with some no nonsense honest call a spade - a spade, A man's - a man - talking!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:43

He's not great, is he?

TheBiologyStupid · 01/03/2023 00:45

If the criminal we're talking about wants to identify as a woman, or a frog or as Napoleon, that's his 'right', although we may draw conclusions from that as to his mental state. It doesn't mean we should put him into the women's cells, into a pond, or imprison him on St. Helena instead.

😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:47

I missed that great post!

Pixiedust1234 · 01/03/2023 00:54

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

He's probably not far off with that percentage. Its trans women and men that commit the majority of crimes. Wonder if that's what he meant though 🤔

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Supersimkin2 · 01/03/2023 01:04

Isla Vannuvvergoshortly can call himself whatever he likes.

Suspect ‘Repentant Richard’ or ‘Feminist Fred’ won’t make the shortlist, but anyway.

Whether anyone listens to him except the judge who says dyslexia makes you a rapist is up to them.

I’m not sure the law’s taken that freedom away from us humans yet. Even though it likes some humans - women - less than a serial rapist right now.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/03/2023 01:12

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

Politicians making up statistics. Is there any group of people who offend at a 0.1% rate? I don't think there are. Elderly men and older women possibly. Certainly not trans people.

It boils my piss. I know it's hyperbole but it shouldn't be spouted. Deal in actual facts.

Because statistics and numbers are important. Someone did the numbers and worked out that because the female estate is so small, and the male so big, even a small percentage of men changing gender would result in a huge proportion of the female estate being bepenised. Obvious, if you think about it.

It's also worth saying that in some countries the victims of rape are about equal between men and women because of prison rape. The incidence is so high in prison that it equalises the population numbers. So tell me what happens when a quarter (for example) of the female estate has a penis.

Sugarfree23 · 01/03/2023 03:36

Supersimkin2 · 01/03/2023 01:04

Isla Vannuvvergoshortly can call himself whatever he likes.

Suspect ‘Repentant Richard’ or ‘Feminist Fred’ won’t make the shortlist, but anyway.

Whether anyone listens to him except the judge who says dyslexia makes you a rapist is up to them.

I’m not sure the law’s taken that freedom away from us humans yet. Even though it likes some humans - women - less than a serial rapist right now.

Can I disagree - Isla should be forced to be forever known by that name - so when he is out in a few years we all know who he / she / they are.

People with a criminal record should never be allowed to change name. Changing name means their past may not come up in background checks.

MichelleScarn · 01/03/2023 03:45

Hate it when people use stats like that for nefarious purposes.
Although recently did a survey and 100% of responses was that Yusaf is a twat with that opinion.
(Granted was just DH and l last night, but if the SNP are just throwing numbers out there and expecting us to go 'oh ok' it should be the same!)

JustWaking · 01/03/2023 06:02

99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime

There are 2,567,400 men in Scotland, and 2,728,000 women.

According to Google, the most commonly used estimate of number of trans people is 0.5% of the population,so approximately 12,837 transwomen and 13640 transmen.

Including prisoners on remand (who may not have committed crimes), there are 7 367 people are in prison in Scotland just now, of which 290 are female.

www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-kingdom-scotland

According to the latest Scottish Prison Service (SPS) statistics, there were 12 trans women and three trans men prisoners between October and December 2022

So, currently in prison in Scotland (as a percentage of the population):
0.29% of men
0.1% of transwomen
0.02% of transmen
0.01% of women

So he's not that far off. But it's basically meaningless. 99.7% of men don't commit crime. We still need sex-segregated prisons to protect women from sexual exploitation, as Elizabeth Fry argued successfully into law 200 years ago.

The number he isn't saying - the honest number, to understand the impact on women - is that 4% (12 out of 290) of the people in women's prisons in Scotland are transwomen. 1 in 25.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/03/2023 06:38

So he's not that far off

He's massively off. He said, "commit crime" not "currently prisoners".

FannyCann · 01/03/2023 06:58

Just posting a tweet with a little clip of the boss.

twitter.com/fowingsscot/status/1629199186699685891?s=46&t=o-Uz0ACp39jHAxTGu-f0Bg

nilsmousehammer · 01/03/2023 07:02

It isn't just one, is it?

That means a rapist who is abusing the system according to this interesting politician, should be left to trot happily in and out of women's spaces and go on abusing them because to stop him might stop the mythical unicorn lovely accountant.

And women should embrace the rapes and humiliation and exclusion and harm by Bryson and those like him because they owe this accountant. Or something.

No Yousaf, fuck off. If you want to get your kit off with rapists you crack on mate. Your body, your choice. Mine isn't a therapeutic aid for you to offer, and fuck me do you have some serious issues with your attitude towards women and seeing them as equally human.

BordoisAgain · 01/03/2023 07:14

Why are these people so fucking thick?

It's not about whether a transwoman has a greater propensity for being a criminal.

it's about creating opportunities for men to commit crime and then play the system by being able to claim some nebulous identity. Which is exactly what happened here

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